Should Healthcare Be Funded As A Basic Human Right? - page 10

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    Quote from wooh
    So how do you (and others agreeing with you) respond to those who have said IN THIS THREAD, that they can't afford healthcare, even though they are working, not sitting around waiting for a handout?
    Please think about that...

    We have people on this forum who are working, yet can't afford health insurance. WORKING, and have no health insurance! WORKING, and have no health insurance. WORKING, and have no health insurance. WORKING, and have no health insurance. Yet you believe it is ok to fund the healthcare of those who don't even lift a finger to help themselves?

    Does that really sound right to you? I'm asking.
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    Quote from Conqueror+
    I might agree with people arguing against universal coverage if I didn't have thousands of dollars in income yanked from me each year. I have no children in school but a chunk of my taxes go to public schooling. Is that fair ? I don't begrudge other children an education but I work and cannot afford insurance for my family but I am essentially paying for someone else's child to attend school. It's backwards.
    There you go!

    If Universal healthcare becomes reality, more thousands of dollars will be taken from people like you and I and probably the vast majority of the posters on this forum. You already think it's wrong to take what they're taking now to support others, why would you be ok with them taking even more even more?
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    Quote from Pets to People
    Well you expect them to work and take care of themselves but how do you expect them to get to work if you feel they shouldn't have two cars? Not all towns have public transportation and if both work, which they usually have to just to get by even with assistance, then they must have two vehicles. And you need to call up your local doctors office and ask them the cost, without insurance, for just one visit that includes an exam and vaccines for a child, or an exam and blood testing, etc for a diabetic then call up the pharm and find out how much diabetic supplies cost without insurance and see if that compares in ANYWAY to an $60-80 a month cable/internet bill.

    I have had to go without TV (and a heck of a lot more than that)....after coming home from working all day and just want to relax but no TV and no books cause I can't afford them and there is not a local library in town. On my days off no money for gas, no money for food, no TV, no where to walk to, nothing to read....I guess I should just sit and stare and the wall or work 15 hrs a day 7 days a week (even if my employer would allow it). No wonder poor people are so depressed and suffer from health issues related to over stress, over worked, chronically depressed and anxious, malnourished...they need the healthcare almost more than those who have insurance yet have no access to it. No wonder they can't work up the energy to dig themselves out of the deep, dark and depressing hole they are in and instead, exhausted and helpless, resort to pills and alcohol just to get by.
    Ma'am, The point is that they find the money to pay for luxuries, yet claim poverty when they are asked to fend for themselves. If they had health insurance, they would only be paying a small fraction of the Dr visit bill and only a co pay for their meds. I'm not saying I don't feel bad for them. I'm saying that it is wrong for their healthcare to be paid by those who have no healthcare of their own because they work and don't qualify fore their healthcare to be paid. I think that is unjust.
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    Quote from PRICHARILLAisMISSED
    I was that previous poster, and that is not what I did. I compared many peoples PRIORITIES by bringing up how there are people who say they cannot afford to pay for healthcare on their own, yet those same people in many cases also have multiple vehicles they paid for, and cable with premium channels with high speed internet that they also somehow pay for each month. Please reread the post (Page 1) and be more wary when accusing other posters of "having a sickness that universal healthcare cannot cure."
    Actually you were not. The poster I WAS referring to addressed my comment already.
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    Quote from PRICHARILLAisMISSED
    There you go!

    If Universal healthcare becomes reality, more thousands of dollars will be taken from people like you and I and probably the vast majority of the posters on this forum. You already think it's wrong to take what they're taking now to support others, why would you be ok with them taking even more even more?
    I didn't say it was wrong I said it was backwards. If their was access to care for everyone I would feel VERY differently about paying taxes for health care services. I choose to opt out of public schools for various reasons but the fact that it is available to my children makes me feel much better about it. My gripe is that I DO pay for free health insurance I just don't have access to it.
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    Quote from Pets to People
    Or better yet, how about we stop big pharm and the medical supply companies and the hospitals from charging $60 for a $2 bag of IV fluids or $2000 for an MRI and so on. It is possible to make a profit without trying to rob the public blind and get away with it.
    Making lawsuits significantly less costly will make this happen, actually. Other than profit, of course (which they are entitled to) these huge markups are in a large part due to having money on hand to pay the insurance that pays for these ridiculous lawsuits. When the mean settlement drops, insurance rates drop with it. When insurance rates drop, the mark ups will follow.

    Plus those MRI machines cost a ******* fortune They kinda have to be on the expensive side.
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    Quote from Conqueror+
    Actually you were not. The poster I WAS referring to addressed my comment already.
    Then I apologize... Jokes on me, huh?
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    Quote from Pets to People
    Oh, I don't know...maybe it has something to do with the people suffering daily health problems that they can't get taken care of because they don't have insurance, such as overwhelming depression because of the struggles they are going through, perhaps it could also have to do with the fact that they can't improve themselves without some type of education, which involves a time commitment many don't have because they are most likely working well over 40 hours per week if not working more than one job and may be a single mother with no one to help with kids and housework so she can do homework after working a ten hour day. Many don't know they can do any better because their life is all they know and is passed down through the family, they don't know the resources available to them, they are completely overwhelmed and feel helpless...the list goes on....the world is not black and white PRICHARILLA.

    This misperception that everyone who is poor is just lazy and looking for a handout is rampant and wrong, maybe you should get down here in the trenches with me and see for youself instead of sitting up on your high horse and judging people you know nothing about accept what you see on TV or hear from other people whose opinion mirrors your own. I mean, everyone who is fat is just lazy too, right?
    Pets, You seem like a really nice person. You really do and I wish there were many more people like you out there. You wish the best for all even those who aren't willing to work for it. And I like people like that. They are very pleasant to be around. But every once in a while I hope they would take off their "Rose colored glasses." The world we live in is a FAR cry from what I imagine you think it is.

    I ask in my post "Why should an adult have to be coaxed to try harder to take care of themselves instead of relying on society to do it," and you jumped to arms defended them. You are saying it's ok for them to give up and live off the rest of us until something better is handed to them! I'm not sure how I can convince you. I honestly believe that you will defend the unfortunate even if they admitted they just don't want to fend for themselves. I just can't debate those kinds of beliefs.
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    Quote from PRICHARILLAisMISSED
    Please think about that...

    We have people on this forum who are working, yet can't afford health insurance. WORKING, and have no health insurance! WORKING, and have no health insurance. WORKING, and have no health insurance. WORKING, and have no health insurance. Yet you believe it is ok to fund the healthcare of those who don't even lift a finger to help themselves?

    Does that really sound right to you? I'm asking.
    I'm saying that I'd rather help everyone at the risk of helping a few who "don't deserve it" instead of screwing everyone, including those in this thread, just so I can punish those you think "don't deserve it."
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    The question is should healthcare be provided by the Government ? The answer is no. When healthcare becomes a gvt program then this is what happens.
    No accountability, can't get fired, tough luck for the patients, all the good healthcare will be in privately owned hospitals here and abroad, the wealthy will always get the proper and best care, while the rest of us will get 3rd rate care or worse.
    People who want this should work for a gvt agency first and experience surgery in a place like Cuba where its "free" .
    There aint nothing free


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