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Should Healthcare Be Funded As A Basic Human Right? - page 13

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  1. Visit  CountyRat profile page
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    MunoRN and Woow, what did I write that you found judgemental of others?

    A poster referred to a young friend who suffered bankruptcy due to healthcare bills. I have had a similiar experience, and commented on my point of view. I never wrote that people in need should not get help, nor did I criticise anyone, write judgementally of anyone, or accuse anyone of bad behavior.

    As for your comment, MunoRN, that you, "had sort of given up on the idea of convincing you that not everyone who needs the help of others is lazy, irresponsible or feels entitled, they just have a rough life" I think that you are mistaking me for someone else. I have never written any such rediculous things, nor have you tried to convince me of anything. I think you are addeessing someone else.

    We have different opinions. Why does that make you so angry that you feel the need to accuse me of writting things that I have never written?
  2. Visit  NRSKarenRN profile page
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    Closing thread for a timeout review.
  3. Visit  MunoRN profile page
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    I apologize CountryRat if I misread your posts, I did not intend to twist your statements, but my impression came from statements such as the one that seemed to tell people who needed help that life is hard and they aren't entitled to anything (as though most aren't already aware of that), and other statements including
    "Do I have a right to eat food? After all, I will die without food much sooner than I would without healthcare, so the same argument should apply.

    The answer is, yes, I do have a right to eat. However, that begs another question: Since I have a right to eat, are not the people posting in this blog obligated to take me to the grocery store and buy the food I need? Or, should I just be allowed to go to the grocery store and take whatever I want without paying. After all, it is my right, so you have to give it to me, right?

    Wrong. My possession of a right to sustain my life with food does not obligate you to provide the means of enjoying that right out of your pocket. I have the right, but I still have to pay for what I need. This is the gaping flaw in the "healthcare is a basic human right" argument. Even if that proposition were true, it does not justify forcing my neighbor to provide me with the means to enjoy my rights by taking money that he has earned honestly away from him."

    Again, if I got something out of that which you didn't intend I apologize. I'm beginning to think that you were sharing that not because you didn't think others were sufficiently aware of that and were being patronizing, but because you yourself are more than sufficiently aware of that and were just punctuating, which I misread as the former rather than the latter.
    Last edit by MunoRN on Dec 10, '12 : Reason: Trying to un-indent the last paragraph
  4. Visit  CountyRat profile page
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    Thank you, MunoRN, for helping me understand you better, and, of course I accept your apology. I have goofed when blogging more times than I care to remember, so I know how easy it is to make that kind of mistake. I know that it was nothing personal, so no hard feelings.

    You are correct that I have commented that "life is hard," but I probably just did not express myself as clearly as I should have. I try to form opinions on social and political issies in terms of principles rather than by judging peoples' motives or reacting to feelings. My posts are just attempts to define the principles that underly important questions. I am not criticising those who see issues differently than I do. I kmow that my opinions are flawed, but I do not always know why, so I debate to identify where and why those flaws are.

    I appreciate your challanges! They enable me to see where my point of view is distorted, and help me correct my errors. I am grateful for the oportunity exchange ideas with thoughtful people like yourself; not because I think that I can (or should) change your mind, but rather, to change mine as I consider the merits of the arguments of people who disagree with me. I am grateful for the chance to bounce these udeas off you.

    That was an awfully clumsy mcetaphore, and my spelling, which is terrible on a gpod day, is gettimg worse, which probably means that I am tired and should get some sleep. With your kind permission I will leave on that note, hoping that I will meet you again within this forum. We will probably find that we agree more often than disagree.

    Good night, and best wishes to you, Wooh, Ntheboat2, and anyone else who might be online.
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  5. Visit  lorirn58 profile page
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    Living beyond your means is a poor choice. Having children that you cannot afford is a poor choice. I do not like paying for other people's poor choices when I did not make poor choices. Thank you very much.
    Personal repsonsibility, people.
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    Quote from lorirn58
    Living beyond your means is a poor choice. Having children that you cannot afford is a poor choice. I do not like paying for other people's poor choices when I did not make poor choices. Thank you very much.
    Personal repsonsibility, people.
    Ahhh, I remember when my friend chose to get breast cancer. And my other friend that chose to get colon cancer. My neighbor that chose his brain tumor. So glad they died so we aren't still paying for those poor choices. If only someone like lorirn had been around sooner to tell them to take personal responsibility...
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    Quote from wooh
    Ahhh, I remember when my friend chose to get breast cancer. And my other friend that chose to get colon cancer. My neighbor that chose his brain tumor. So glad they died so we aren't still paying for those poor choices. If only someone like lorirn had been around sooner to tell them to take personal responsibility...
    I remember the year my then second grader had three kids in his class CHOOSE to get pertusis. They were all immunized but a recent influx into our county that weren't immunized ended up sending it around the schools around here.
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    Quote from wooh
    Ahhh, I remember when my friend chose to get breast cancer. And my other friend that chose to get colon cancer. My neighbor that chose his brain tumor. So glad they died so we aren't still paying for those poor choices. If only someone like lorirn had been around sooner to tell them to take personal responsibility...
    If all that is going on around you I suggest you choose to move to a different area.
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  9. Visit  CountyRat profile page
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    Finding someone to blame for the many deficiencies in my country's way of delivering healthcare is very tempting, but rarely helpful. I do not care whose fault it is, I want to find ways to improve and solve problems.

    However, it is a natural human trait to look for a villian to boo, and I want to be helpful, so I will just come out and tell the truth:

    It's my fault.

    Yes, I am entirely to blame fo all that is wrong with the U.S. healthcare non-system. The high costs, the long ED waits, the very real suffering of the poor; it is all my fault.

    Wow. That was not easy, but now that I have put the truth out there, I actually feel better.

    Well, now that we have settled that question, I guess that we can move on and look for ways that we can solve problems together. Is anyone interested in having that conversation? If not, please send all letters of condemation to me by PM. I expect to be flooded with your righteous condemnation (which is only fair) so I might not be able to reply to the flood of messages, but I will read each one, and feel appropriately guilty,

    For everyone else, please continue to contribute thouhhtful, respectful, and constructive conversation.
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    Quote from CountyRat
    Finding someone to blame for the many deficiencies in my country's way of delivering healthcare is very tempting, but rarely helpful. I do not care whose fault it is, I want to find ways to improve and solve problems.

    However, it is a natural human trait to look for a villian to boo, and I want to be helpful, so I will just come out and tell the truth:

    It's my fault.

    Yes, I am entirely to blame fo all that is wrong with the U.S. healthcare non-system. The high costs, the long ED waits, the very real suffering of the poor; it is all my fault.

    Wow. That was not easy, but now that I have put the truth out there, I actually feel better.

    Well, now that we have settled that question, I guess that we can move on and look for ways that we can solve problems together. Is anyone interested in having that conversation? If not, please send all letters of condemation to me by PM. I expect to be flooded with your righteous condemnation (which is only fair) so I might not be able to reply to the flood of messages, but I will read each one, and feel appropriately guilty,

    For everyone else, please continue to contribute thouhhtful, respectful, and constructive conversation.
    Hehe, best post in this thread.
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  11. Visit  Ntheboat2 profile page
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    Quote from wooh
    I think what he's saying is YOU are awful judgmental of others that can't afford their medical bills when you couldn't pay all of your bills yourself.
    Why is bankruptcy, which makes others pay for what you couldn't pay for yourself, such a morally superior option to accepting government assistance, where others pay for what you can't pay for yourself?
    Thank you...that's exactly my point. I went to sleep because I had to be up early and go to work so all those slime balls don't have to, you know!!

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    Quote from Ntheboat2
    Thank you...that's exactly my point. I went to sleep because I had to be up early and go to work so all those slime balls don't have to, you know!!

    And you know what, Ntheboat2? Most of them not only don't appreciate your getting up early on their behalf, but they don't even think about it. They couldn't care less about how hard you're working to keep them healthy lol..... wait a minute, that shouldn't be lol. It was true.
  13. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    Quote from lorirn58
    Living beyond your means is a poor choice. Having children that you cannot afford is a poor choice. I do not like paying for other people's poor choices when I did not make poor choices. Thank you very much.
    Personal repsonsibility, people.
    Having a child with a congenital heart defect is not a choice. Getting cancer is not a choice. Living within your means and having an unexpected health expense put you into bankrupcy is not a choice.
    Good for you for not making poor choices...I hope that life is good to you and if it is not I pray that you have more forgiveness for yourself than you apparently have for others when they experience difficulty.
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