Robert Wood Johnson Univ Hospital Nurses to Strike - page 16

Registered nurses start strike August 24, 2006 at 7am at Robert Wood Johnson Univeristy Hospital in New Brunswick, NJ Nurses reject contract proposal Home News Tribune Online 08/17/06 By DAVID... Read More

  1. by   clcrtrn
    Quote from ZASHAGALKA
    It's not that they don't think you'll understand. It's that CLAIMING differences in the proposals offers you a pretext to vote yes. They aren't hoping you're too stupid to understand this as much as they're hoping you're too desperate to care.

    And the union management? Didn't they accept this before only to have it voted down? Why on earth would your negotiators bother to present this to you AGAIN? Did THEY not get the message from THEIR employers: the nurses?

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    I think at this point BOTH sides, hospital administration and our union leadership are thinking the same thing: we're (the nurses) tired, fed up and reaching the point of not caring anymore. The hospital is banking on us either voting the contract in OR crossing the line in huge numbers if it is voted out. The union leadership is feeling beaten at this point and are hoping we vote for the contract so that we DON'T cross and break the union. As for the nurses on the line? I've been getting feelings from both sides: "fed up and I'm voing yes" and "fed up and voting no." I think it's gonna be a close vote this time around.
  2. by   mekrn
    Quote from clcrtrn
    I think at this point BOTH sides, hospital administration and our union leadership are thinking the same thing: we're (the nurses) tired, fed up and reaching the point of not caring anymore. The hospital is banking on us either voting the contract in OR crossing the line in huge numbers if it is voted out. The union leadership is feeling beaten at this point and are hoping we vote for the contract so that we DON'T cross and break the union. As for the nurses on the line? I've been getting feelings from both sides: "fed up and I'm voing yes" and "fed up and voting no." I think it's gonna be a close vote this time around.
    Sorry, but I don't think this is something we needed to have posted on a board for administration to see.
  3. by   clcrtrn
    Quote from solidaritynurse
    Sorry, but I don't think this is something we needed to have posted on a board for administration to see.
    Just my opinion-and you probably know the old joke about opinions (it's not appropriate for this forum!); I am not part of the negotiation team so what I said is just that, an opinion, acurate or not. Regardless of what I posted everyone needs to vote what he/she feels. Enough of us are still pretty angry at the manipulation by administration with the offers they have made, including this one and will reject it as well.

    Administration's decisions are based on well thought out maneuvers ahead of time and our responses to them, not on the opinions of a nurse on a bulliten board.
  4. by   rjflyn
    Looking from a far over the last few weeks I have started to make some comments but have held my tounge so to speak.

    Having worked in health care for some 18+ years and several facilities I know crap health insurance. What you have and are being offered is crappy health coverage. I follow that up by saying though I have seen better and i have seen worse. Thats a choice one has to make.

    How to another poster who has mentioned that they have no choice in where to seek health care I say sure you do. Your choice is to take what you have as everyone else can and does. Or you can choose to look for work eslewhere that has better benefits. Now if thats not an option guess what thats another choice as well. I dont see how though since it looks like New Brunswick is located in a pretty huge metro area. There has to be dozens of hospitals in a fairly decent drive range ie a hour.

    Rj
    Last edit by rjflyn on Sep 16, '06
  5. by   pickledpepperRN
    I live about 2811.0 miles away.
    My opinion is that if the hospital regains its reputation it because of the nurses.

    If they lose their fine reputation it is the hospitals poor choices and lask of respect for their reason foe being, nursing care.
  6. by   mekrn
    Quote from clcrtrn
    Just my opinion-and you probably know the old joke about opinions (it's not appropriate for this forum!); I am not part of the negotiation team so what I said is just that, an opinion, acurate or not. Regardless of what I posted everyone needs to vote what he/she feels. Enough of us are still pretty angry at the manipulation by administration with the offers they have made, including this one and will reject it as well.

    Administration's decisions are based on well thought out maneuvers ahead of time and our responses to them, not on the opinions of a nurse on a bulliten board.
    Certainly you are entitled to your opinion, but then say it is YOUR opinion. If you are not on the negotiating committee your statement that the committee "feels beaten" and "are hoping we vote for the contract" are out of line.

    By the way, I, like you am fed up with the games, I am insulted by the presentation of the SAME contract, and I will be voting no tomorrow.:wink2:
  7. by   lee1
    How strong is your union? Isn't that something to be proud of and this will continue to be so once nurses go back to work if the contract is voted in. How strong was your union before and how much were you each involved in it? Will you be involved in the future? What have you learned?? Have you learned to speak up individually and not allow abuse and to question everything???
    If your union fragments what good will come of that???
  8. by   benfanrn
    Not sure what you guys got from the meeting, but I am still voting a big fat NO! All for one, and one for all.
    So be it.
    Cheers,
    RWJUH RN
  9. by   proud2banurse
    If you are voting "NO" and you thought standing out in the rain and lousy summer weather was bad, picture yourself there in 12 weeks - a whole lot poorer in the snow!!!

    Quite thinking about about everything you are not getting and think about what you are losing!
  10. by   proud2banurse
    To Benfanrn:

    "All for one, and one for all"
    Isn't that a quote from the 3 Musketeers. They were not the brightest either.
  11. by   mrsmitty
    Your committee is not beaten down. They just can't make you happy. They will recommend this offer and rightly so. It is a big step by the hospital. You are not going to get much better. You can stay out for another 3 or 4 weeks and you may not get this, but you will lose more income.

    Just because you have a contract settled does not mean you can't work to make it better. In a previous post I presented a way to improve your insurance though in likely at some cost to you. But you will have a choice.

    I have negotiated more contacts than your leadership has. It's best if both sides come out feeling good and that can almost always happen. The hospital is not going to give you what you are looking for. Take a stand if you think you must. If you don't know your opposition, and you don't if you think you can get this, you can not effect change.

    Now you may think I'm a hospital shill. No I am not. I am the husband of a nurse at RWJ. I have more experience dealing at these matters than any of you ever will. It's what I do.

    If you are smart you will accept this offer. If you don't want to go to RWJ which is one of the top 10 hospitals in the country, you can go elsewhere and pay a copay. Work on ways to make this plan better later.

    For all of you on this forum, I can understand your privacy issues. But get real, being hospitalized is not a dignifying experience. Sure you don't want to be exposed in front of your co-workers, but how do you think your patients feel about being exposed in front of you.

    If RWJ is the best place for me to go should I have a situation, I'm going there. I really care don't if you all want to discuss the size of my morning wood.
    Last edit by mrsmitty on Sep 16, '06
  12. by   mekrn
    Please do not lower yourself to vulgarity and insults. Thank you.
  13. by   mrsmitty
    I have heard enough recollections of conversations to know that this would likely be discussed. I think it is normal and I wouldn't be insuslted.

    By the way, regarding unemployment compensation, the state will award this. Whether you get to keep it, or have to pay if back, is dependent on a finding of unfair labor practices. That will not likely be the case in this situation. Please do not count on keeping your unemployment.

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