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I was interested how everyone feels about the new health care bill and more importantly how will it effect the nursing field?? (Salary, jobs growth etc.)??

In Canada, and other countries with Nationalized helath care they have a smaller percentage of their population that are on welfare from cradle to grave. I remember one time in this country it was a source of shame not to work and take care of your kids. Now it is not shameful at all for someone to sit on the steps of their section 8 housing, at the first of the month waiting for the mailman to bring them their check. They feel as entitled to that check as I do my paycheck.

Canada most certainly does NOT have nationalized healthcare.

Now everyone repeat after me, single-payer healthcare is not (at all) the same thing as nationalized healthcare.

Agree with you on the stigma being lessened. Don't agree most people on welfare would not rather be working at a job that pays something they can raise a family on.

Not sure who your garbled rant was directed toward but if you were asking about MY time in Iraq I was not a $100K a year civilian worker. I was a lowly Navy Seabee, and yes we got an extra $150 a MONTH for being in an imminent Danger Pay Area (Combat Pay). Serving in combat does not make you elgible for early retirement either

I was "garbling" about the misinformation you were posting regarding harzard duty pay which I have addressed in a seperate post. The information is readily available on military.com and only the lower grades get that 150, plus you get additional benefits from state tax exemption to being able to qualify for > 1 hazard duty incentive concurrently, etc.

Of course I didn't say it was "the cause" of the health care crisis.

It IS contributing to it though as the fewer people working of course the fewer people paying taxes and the fewer people having preventative care and elective surgeries.

And automation has resulted in one hell of a lot more loss than "a few jobs", not to mention globalization which is also related to our having effectively halted educational infrastructure investment for 30 years.

I'm getting confused. Is this a nursing forum or a radical right venting medium? If it's the latter I'm going to kindly suggest there's no shortage of them to take this ... stuff to.

People here have a right to intelligently discuss relevant policy without you spamming them, insulting them and reducing the dialogue to partisan ranting such that nobody wants to discuss it.

Think about it.

By the way the FACT is the economy was shedding 750,000-800,000 jobs a MONTH for the past year before the President took office. That thank the Lord has stopped which is in fact a direct result of a return to more middle class friendly policy. I also think a strong argument can be made for the other party doing everything they can to prevent him from getting anything done at all costs (including a major reduction in the US credit rating which caused catastrophic losses in the nations investments and retirement funds) but this is just NOT the place for that discussion.

I'm beginning to think you must be joking. For Godsakes I thought we all understood

Wikileaks was an inside job of a unstable enlistee sharing classified information he had legitimate access to rather than the inability of the government to secure it's computer systems.

Of coure there's silos of health information on all of us that is available to any INSURER.

What HIPPA does is ensure that nobody else except payors can use it against you. Like a potential employer for example when deciding which applicant to hire.

If they were going to cost more than they saved they wouldn't have passed.

Of course there's up front investment. Did you have access to break even points and projections the rest of us don't?

As for the uninsured having to buy insurance, well, that's it. if they have insurance policies you NO LONGER have to pay their astronomical emergency care as primary medicine costs. You would think the anti-welfare-everyone-is-a-freeloader crowd would be cheering and the biggest supporters of this for crying out loud.

Shocker :-) What I was talkin about to is walmart's widespread practice of hiring part-time workers (who don't qualify for medical insurance) or paying wages so low that most of those who DO qualify can't afford them and don't sign up.

Thus when they have hospital encounters you are currently picking up the tab for the health care of the nations largest employers and about 14 of the richest 20 people in America.

As for your own tax rates, I'm not sure how long you've been working and what "over teh years means" and it's really a beside the point anyway.

The liberals and Obama are so fixated on Bush they still refer to the tax extension as the Bush tax cuts. Obama has signed it into law twice giving ALL Americans the tax credits. Shouldn't they be called the Obama tax credits by now?

Not in my opinion since Bush introduced them (as his VERY FIRST mandate), but it's entirely irrelevant to anything here.

I would bet the rich people you mentioned pay more in taxes in one month than you have paid in your entire life. What percentage of their money do you feel you are entitled to

Oh, I bet you're just dining with the Koch's and Weirich's.

1. considering they have a networth that is millions to billions greater than my own one would certainly hope so.

2. who in the hell is asking for their money, Rush Limbaugh.

I ask they pay the same PERCENTAGE in taxes as I do, a mere nurse working my tail off whose Daddy didn't leave me 240 million bills to live on. Particularly since they have the entire collective government working for their interest and a full scale propoganda network spewing out misinformation to raise the blood pressure of emotional nitwits and get them to self-destruct.

Have I made myself clear? Good, because it would be very considerate for the thread to be back to something besides you dropping off partisan misinformation and unsubstantated options and my debunking them. Perhaps something EVERYONE can participate in.

cpl- perhaps to understand my post you should do some reading in Sociology, more specifically, reading under subcultures and why they exist. I believe the sociologists have well documented the effects of poverty, high unemployment in certain areas of our country such as Lousiana, Alabama, Miss.- the three poorest states in our country with the highest unemployment rates. Meth labs seem to be more in abundance there and in the W.Va and Carolina's- 3 other lower income states. When one considers how easy it is to purchase the common chemicals to make meth- it is no big surprise that some will purchase these chemicals from the grocery stores, walmarts etc and find a way to make the substance to make money especially when they live in the above mentioned states where there are no jobs. Perhaps you would be of better 'service' to your patients by delving into the causes of illness and injury that land your particular patient population into 'your' unit in your geographic location. In other words- take a cue from your patients to learn something instead of bashing and attempting to discredit other posters which is non productive, unprofessional, bullying and down right mean spirited.. This is not Afghanistan, this is a professional nursing form.

I completely agree with this. However I scrolled up in the thread and realized quickly I wasted several hours responding factually to his/her nonsense. Obviously no matter how many times others have proved his/her claims incorrect, s/he just goes on and on with the windy messages full of partisan hackery, insulting other participants, proclaiming expertise s/he clearly doesn't have and generally insisting his/her uniformed, biased opinion is an expert one.

This ain't Afghanistan and it ain't the Glen Beck show either. It just kinda feels like it here though and not being a Glen Beck fan, I'm going to skip out to sections where I can discuss things with people interested in professional nursing issues.

Unfortunately I think it's one of those things only the moderators can do anything about if they even want to. It seems unreasonable to me that an intelligent discusion on policy , whosever Administration may be the initiators obviously can't be had here.

Specializes in ICU.
I completely agree with this. However I scrolled up in the thread and realized quickly I wasted several hours responding factually to his/her nonsense. Obviously no matter how many times others have proved his/her claims incorrect, s/he just goes on and on with the windy messages full of partisan hackery, insulting other participants, proclaiming expertise s/he clearly doesn't have and generally insisting his/her uniformed, biased opinion is an expert one.

This ain't Afghanistan and it ain't the Glen Beck show either. It just kinda feels like it here though and not being a Glen Beck fan, I'm going to skip out to sections where I can discuss things with people interested in professional nursing issues.

Unfortunately I think it's one of those things only the moderators can do anything about if they even want to. It seems unreasonable to me that an intelligent discusion on policy , whosever Administration may be the initiators obviously can't be had here.

You need to put the crack pipe down. I have not insulted anyone. Is my opinion biased? Probably, because I have lived long enough to know everyone can not be saved from themselves.

I noticed you did not dispute anything I said with facts, only your opinion. Your mention of the waivers earlier was somewhat correct. Many companies, ALONG WITH UNIONS, were given a one year waiver not subjecting them to Obamacare. Surely you don't think a left-wing liberal website would post the negatives about the law. Such as how many of Obama's supporters are not being penalized by it. I suggest you look at who got the waivers, both corporations and unions, and look at how much money they have given Obama.

I see you missed the point I made about Wikileaks. I will type slowly. Gov't secrets were made public by a low ranking Army private.

I have a feeling the thing that seems most unreasonable to you is someone disagrees with your OPINION and you can't stand that.

Talk about projection and irony-impairment! Not to mention disingenuity. "Put down your crackpipe"? Wow. That's even better than your recent clownish demands to know how much of the hard-earned uberwealthies fortune, moi, a backbreaking hard-working nurse wanted to steal! Thrive on negative attention much growing up or is the cheap Glen Beck/Rush Limbaugh impersonations impressing your parents?

I am not sure I believe you are a nurse but I'm sure I don't want to believe it. You come across as an abusive, dishonest brute, entirely unprofessional and uninterested in the profession and one who participates solely to distribute fresh baloney off the hard right propoganda mills.

If you indeed are a nurse I can only say if the behavior you demonstrate here towards those who patiently expose the propoganda you tirelessly spam to the horrific way you talk about your patients, judge your patients and interact with your peers is in ANY way comparable to your professional interactions, then I will suggest you do yourself a favor and clean up your act in a big, fat hurry.

Later. (Much, much later).

Specializes in ICU.

Yep, I am a nurse. Once again you DID NOT DISPUTE ANYTHING I SAID WITH FACTS, only your biased opinion. Perhaps it is because you have none. Maybe you missed what Al Gore or other left-wing nut-jobs said.

I have no problem caring for my patients. Even the ones that did something stupid to become my patient, like trying to manufacture meth, attempted suicide, mixing alcohol and guns, drug deal gone bad, etc. Face the facts, oftentimes people do stupid things and end up in the hospital. Maybe you cannot compartmentalize but I can. I can think a patient is a total moron and still give them great care.

Expose my propoganda? I think this started when you incorrectly tried to correct me stating that unions do not provide insurace benefits, which I corrected you on.

This debate is getting old. You are not substanciating anything you say. You are just parroting what the left-wing talking heads say, ignoring common sense facts. You would like to believe adding 30 million people to insurance will cost the gov't less money.

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