New Health Care Bill

Boxlock · Mar 22, 2010

God Help us! My fellow Americans have just sold themselves and me into a knind of indirect slavery, they have given government beaurocrats control over every aspect of our lives and death. They have laid the foundation that will eventually regulate private insurance out of buisiness and leave us with a single payer system. They now have the power to force us to buy a product/service, and they decide what that product/service must include, how much it must cost, and have the power to fine or imprison us if we refuse to pay. They will be able to control what we can and can't eat, smoke, drink, or do in our free time, etc.... why? Because if we have to go to them for our healthcare, then they can, and eventually will, regulate anything that affects our health. And they can argue that everything we do, from what and how much we eat, to who we sleep with, directly affects our health, and is therefore subject to regulation. They can arbitrarily decide who gets what healthcare, based on whatever criteria they decide to use. We just put the IRS in charge of enforcing our healthcare regulation. Have you ever been audited by the IRS? Do you want to go through a similar experience the next time you want an elective procedure, or worse yet, need an expensive non-elective procedure? Guess what is going to hapen when you bring 30million new people into the system, without doing anything to increase the number of doctors, nurses, ancillary staff, or build any new facilities, they will have no choice but to ration care, and that's exactly what will happen. Especially since polls have indicated that up to one third of Doctors, Nurses, etc....like myself, have said they intend to seek other ways to make a living, and may very well get out of healthcare all together. If you increase demand by 30million new patients, and reduce the number of Doctors and Nurses by 20-30%, and make it non-lucretive and more difficult for new people to get into these professions, what kind of rationing, and reduction in quality of care, will you have then? Our fellow americans have really sold their and my freedom, and even though they probably didn't realize that's what they where doing, and still probably don't believe that's what they where doing, I resent them for it !!!!! Just like I resent them for spitting on, and calling my WWII, Korea, and Vietman Veteran father a baby killer when he came back, even though they have never accepted responsability for the 2.6 million people who where slaughtered in Cambodia and Viet Nam after our withdrawl at their ignorant insistance. No one can be as cruel, as a well intentioned fool!

Not_A_Hat_Person, RN · Mar 22, 2010

They can arbitrarily decide who gets what healthcare, based on whatever criteria they decide to use.

Health insurers do that now. CIGNA (my current insurer, and evil incarnate) has made the news for denial of care that directly lead to death.

We just put the IRS in charge of enforcing our healthcare regulation. Have you ever been audited by the IRS? Do you want to go through a similar experience the next time you want an elective procedure, or worse yet, need an expensive non-elective procedure?

My husband and I have been trying for months to get CIGNA to pay for some surgery he had back in November. We've been fighting them for months, with no results.

I was audited by the IRS once. I sent them the receipt they wanted, and I got my refund 2 weeks later.

Obamacare isn't perfect, but it's a step in the right direction.

rodmoser · Mar 22, 2010

Seems like two differnet opions which is ok. I don't care for the bill, but was just wondering how it would effect nursing. I know its a wreck otherwise. It seems to me that it would increase the demand for for high level RN's maybe forcing them to take on more responsibilities and therefore compensation with the onslaught of ~30 million more frequent visitors, i.e. doing Dr's work. Do any of you see something along those lines happening??

Thanks, Rodney

magichospital · Apr 25, 2011

I was just wondering the same thing. I am a nursing student who doesn't want to be anything but a nurse and I was wondering just how this bill would effect my chances of getting a good job once I graduate and effect my income. So far I am just reading articles and seeing what's up to garner my own opinion. I would hate to go through all that training just to come up empty handed. Hopefully, what they say about the job growth is true and the bill wont stop that from happening. It's still something I worry about all the time.

WIN007 · Apr 25, 2011

I was just wondering the same thing. I am a nursing student who doesn't want to be anything but a nurse and I was wondering just how this bill would effect my chances of getting a good job once I graduate and effect my income. So far I am just reading articles and seeing what's up to garner my own opinion. I would hate to go through all that training just to come up empty handed. Hopefully, what they say about the job growth is true and the bill wont stop that from happening. It's still something I worry about all the time.

You're kidding right?

If you mean the Affordable Care Act, I don't see how people who are uninsured having to carry insurance instead of going to the ED for everything is going to affect nurses other than maybe they'll be more jobs for non-ED nurses.

The other component, not being able to throw kids off plans for pre-existing conditions, may mean that there's more jobs for peds nurses. I know the insurance companies don't like this part and are lobbying hard against it. Shocker. Don't worry for the insurance companies too much though -visit their financial statements - they can do it.

I think the Meaningful use act and the changes coming for that with EMR's and data exchanges are going to impact nursing far more. In a good way. Should mean less time charting and more with patients. Will mean closed loop medication systems which means much harder to make a medical error. Will also help with ensuring that gold standards of care plans and best practices and clinical decision support will serve to standardizee care and improve outcomes. In otherwords hopefully we'll see patients medical bills come down and the frequent fliers less frequently.

WIN007 · Apr 25, 2011

God Help us! My fellow Americans have just sold themselves and me into a knind of indirect slavery, they have given government beaurocrats control over every aspect of our lives and death. They have laid the foundation that will eventually regulate private insurance out of buisiness and leave us with a single payer system. They now have the power to force us to buy a product/service, and they decide what that product/service must include, how much it must cost, and have the power to fine or imprison us if we refuse to pay. They will be able to control what we can and can't eat, smoke, drink, or do in our free time, etc.... why? Because if we have to go to them for our healthcare, then they can, and eventually will, regulate anything that affects our health. And they can argue that everything we do, from what and how much we eat, to who we sleep with, directly affects our health, and is therefore subject to regulation. They can arbitrarily decide who gets what healthcare, based on whatever criteria they decide to use. We just put the IRS in charge of enforcing our healthcare regulation. Have you ever been audited by the IRS? Do you want to go through a similar experience the next time you want an elective procedure, or worse yet, need an expensive non-elective procedure? Guess what is going to hapen when you bring 30million new people into the system, without doing anything to increase the number of doctors, nurses, ancillary staff, or build any new facilities, they will have no choice but to ration care, and that's exactly what will happen. Especially since polls have indicated that up to one third of Doctors, Nurses, etc....like myself, have said they intend to seek other ways to make a living, and may very well get out of healthcare all together. If you increase demand by 30million new patients, and reduce the number of Doctors and Nurses by 20-30%, and make it non-lucretive and more difficult for new people to get into these professions, what kind of rationing, and reduction in quality of care, will you have then? Our fellow americans have really sold their and my freedom, and even though they probably didn't realize that's what they where doing, and still probably don't believe that's what they where doing, I resent them for it !!!!! Just like I resent them for spitting on, and calling my WWII, Korea, and Vietman Veteran father a baby killer when he came back, even though they have never accepted responsability for the 2.6 million people who where slaughtered in Cambodia and Viet Nam after our withdrawl at their ignorant insistance. No one can be as cruel, as a well intentioned fool!

And watch out for those black helicopters! ;-)

WIN007 · Apr 25, 2011

Health insurers do that now. CIGNA (my current insurer, and evil incarnate) has made the news for denial of care that directly lead to death.
My husband and I have been trying for months to get CIGNA to pay for some surgery he had back in November. We've been fighting them for months, with no results.
I was audited by the IRS once. I sent them the receipt they wanted, and I got my refund 2 weeks later.
Obamacare isn't perfect, but it's a step in the right direction.

Again, not sure what Obamacare IS, but I think the Affordable Care Act has some good items. I too had to fight a denial for an in-patient stay the result of an emergency. At the time I didn't realize the prevelance of routinely denying claims and I sweated over it for a good number of nights I can tell you.

magichospital · May 3, 2011

You're kidding right?
If you mean the Affordable Care Act, I don't see how people who are uninsured having to carry insurance instead of going to the ED for everything is going to affect nurses other than maybe they'll be more jobs for non-ED nurses.
The other component, not being able to throw kids off plans for pre-existing conditions, may mean that there's more jobs for peds nurses. I know the insurance companies don't like this part and are lobbying hard against it. Shocker. Don't worry for the insurance companies too much though -visit their financial statements - they can do it.
I think the Meaningful use act and the changes coming for that with EMR's and data exchanges are going to impact nursing far more. In a good way. Should mean less time charting and more with patients. Will mean closed loop medication systems which means much harder to make a medical error. Will also help with ensuring that gold standards of care plans and best practices and clinical decision support will serve to standardizee care and improve outcomes. In otherwords hopefully we'll see patients medical bills come down and the frequent fliers less frequently.

Ok, from the very beginning I stated I did not know much about the bill and I was doing research to garner my opinions. Seriously? The way you replied was very unessacerily RUDE. Not everyone agrees with your opinions either so you shouldn't state them like they're facts. I came here to learn more about it and state my concerns, not to be personally attacked. :down:

Not_A_Hat_Person, RN · May 3, 2011

Vermont is considering universal health care. It would be funded by a 12% payroll tax.

I carry the insurance coverage for my husband and myself. Depending on the week, it costs 25-50% of my gross pay. Universal health care would save me money. I'm all for it.

dp1200 · May 4, 2011

Vermont is considering universal health care. It would be funded by a 12% payroll tax.
I carry the insurance coverage for my husband and myself. Depending on the week, it costs 25-50% of my gross pay. Universal health care would save me money. I'm all for it.

Let's see how you feel about it in a couple years. I live just south of you in MA - the first state to experiment with "Universal coverage". It's an abject failure, and we now have the HIGHEST health care costs in the country.

There is no such thing as a free ride. Socialism may look great on paper, but it never works in reality.

Not_A_Hat_Person, RN · May 4, 2011

Let's see how you feel about it in a couple years. I live just south of you in MA - the first state to experiment with "Universal coverage". It's an abject failure, and we now have the HIGHEST health care costs in the country.

Did Massachusetts' Health care costs exceed McAllen County, Texas?

I lived in Massachusetts for 30 years. RomneyCare (which was started by a Republican, BTW) has its problems, including big loopholes for businesses and a huge shortage of doctors. Hopefully, Vermont will learn from Massachusetts' mistakes.