Healthcare is NOT a basic human right. Healthcare is NOT a basic human right. - pg.45 | allnurses

Healthcare is NOT a basic human right. - page 45

If one were to read the Constitution one would realize that the Constitution does not grant anyone freedoms, liberties, or rights. The Constitution only protects freedoms, liberties, and rights from... Read More

  1. Visit  CountyRat profile page
    Quote from tewdles
    Who does deserve health care in the USA?
    No one deserves healthcare; or food, clothimg, and shelter. Needing something and deserving somethimg are very different.
  2. Visit  tewdles profile page
    Quote from CountyRat
    No one deserves healthcare; or food, clothimg, and shelter. Needing something and deserving somethimg are very different.

    So Health care is a basic human need?
    As a society do we insure that our citizens can have their basic human needs met or do we leave it to survival of the fittest and the ability to pay for those basic needs?
    I, of course, was responding to the poster who mentioned people "deserving" health care.
  3. Visit  dthfytr profile page
    Your basic premise is: "Healthcare is a human invention that does not exist in the natural environment." This can only be true if humans don't exist in the natural environment. Since humans clearly do exist in the natural environment, have evolved into creatures capable of controlling their environment, and "invented" healthcare which I would argue was a matter of evolution and survival, your entire argument is invalid.
  4. Visit  tewdles profile page
    Quote from dthfytr
    Your basic premise is: "Healthcare is a human invention that does not exist in the natural environment." This can only be true if humans don't exist in the natural environment. Since humans clearly do exist in the natural environment, have evolved into creatures capable of controlling their environment, and "invented" healthcare which I would argue was a matter of evolution and survival, your entire argument is invalid.
    Was this directed toward a particular post or comment?
  5. Visit  dthfytr profile page
    Aimed at the original post. Shoulda made that clear. My bad.
  6. Visit  Asystole RN profile page
    Quote from dthfytr
    Your basic premise is: "Healthcare is a human invention that does not exist in the natural environment." This can only be true if humans don't exist in the natural environment. Since humans clearly do exist in the natural environment, have evolved into creatures capable of controlling their environment, and "invented" healthcare which I would argue was a matter of evolution and survival, your entire argument is invalid.
    Your argument would mean that everything in existence is natural. I do not think many people would agree with that.

    Is a B52 carrying a thermonuclear weapon natural? Is a Rubbermaid bin natural?
  7. Visit  SC_RNDude profile page
    Quote from CountyRat
    Mandra, being pessimistic about the Affordable Care Act is not the same as denying that the U.S. needs healthcare reform. I can only speak for myself, but I doubt that I am alone when I say that the U.S. healthcare non-system is badly in need of major changes, but I do not think that the ACA will produce the needed changes. As for it being a first step, first steps are only good when the step is taken in the right dirrection. I think that, in the case of the ACA, we have committed ourselves to an ineffective and costly solution that will lock us onto a path that we will regret. I sincerely hope that I am wrong, and if future outcomes prove that I am wrong I will be very happy.
    Amen, brother!
  8. Visit  Overland1 profile page
    Quote from kmcguirern
    We are all however, to be treated fairly and equally in here in the U.S.A, but sadly we are not. I don't think anything in our health care industry can be fixed until pharmaceutical companies and big business' are no longer able to profit from it. People are getting rich off of people being sick and that isn't right.
    Exactly. They need to operate at a (financial) loss for a few decades, just as our government is doing and has done for a long time. Only then will they learn their lesson.
  9. Visit  uRNmyway profile page
    Right, and when they do, they will go out of business. Then the government will take over. Then they will be inefficient about it, as the government seems to do so darn well, and run it further into the ground, accumulate more debt for our kids to deal with, etc.

    Did you go into nursing because you just want everyone to be healthy, or because you want to be able to support yourself and your family? Most likely, both. I know I did. I love nursing, but wouldn't do it for minimum wage, that's for sure. If insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies do not have the financial incentive to keep providing services, they won't. I agree that there is corruption within the healthcare system and how it is run right now. But seriously, how can you think that the government taking over will not just be as much if not more corrupt?
  10. Visit  tewdles profile page
    The federal government administrated the medicare program with greater efficiency and lower overheads than the private insurance company administrated their programs.
    When I became a nurse I started at less than $10/hr...my brother worked as a general laborer at the time and made quite a bit more money than me. I did not choose nursing for the pay.
  11. Visit  uRNmyway profile page
    Quote from tewdles
    The federal government administrated the medicare program with greater efficiency and lower overheads than the private insurance company administrated their programs.
    When I became a nurse I started at less than $10/hr...my brother worked as a general laborer at the time and made quite a bit more money than me. I did not choose nursing for the pay.
    Theres a difference between choosing nursing for the money or wanting to make a living wage off of it.
    Oh, and without knowing WHEN you started nursing, that salary does not really mean much.
  12. Visit  SC_RNDude profile page
    Quote from tewdles
    The federal government administrated the medicare program with greater efficiency and lower overheads than the private insurance company administrated their programs.
    When I became a nurse I started at less than $10/hr...my brother worked as a general laborer at the time and made quite a bit more money than me. I did not choose nursing for the pay.
    In most places, it is a insurance company who is administering Medicare for the government. When it is said that Medicare is administered more efficient, apples to apples are not being compared.

    "What about the claim that Medicare's administrative costs are only 2 percent, compared to 10 percent to 15 percent for private insurers? The problem with this comparison is that it includes the cost of marketing and selling insurance as well as the costs of collecting premiums on the private side, but ignores the cost of collecting taxes on the public side. It also ignores the substantial administrative cost that Medicare shifts to the providers of care."
    Is Medicare More Efficient Than Private Insurance? - Health Affairs Blog
  13. Visit  tewdles profile page
    Feel free to minimize the negative affect that for profit health insurance has had on our health delivery system...

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