Healthcare is NOT a basic human right. - page 29

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  1. Visit  uRNmyway profile page
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    Again, I said "in those days" it was more humane than it could have been. They could have eliminated them altogether, like most conquering people did. But yes, lets move on
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  3. Visit  FMF Corpsman profile page
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    Quote from Jeweles26
    Again, I said "in those days" it was more humane than it could have been. They could have eliminated them altogether, like most conquering people did. But yes, lets move on
    I know, I was supposed to be through with it right? But reference your "they could have eliminated them all together," at 112 million killed, I don't think it was from a lack of trying that they didn't get them all. You have a bizarre sense of humane ma'am.
    Last edit by FMF Corpsman on Oct 3, '12 : Reason: spelling
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  4. Visit  SA2009 profile page
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    I disagree in regards to paying/hours worked for teachers, at least at the schools where I have worked (public schools and Title I schools). Of course, if you work as instructors on college and university levels, it looks different, but I think public school teachers really would disagree with you.

    Having said that it really surprises me again and again, how Americans continue to tell me they do not trust their government but yet, you are the government. This is a democracy, correct? It just amazes me on how often I hear this.

    Lastly, all I can say that if you had ever lived under the umbrella of universal healthcare and lived with the security that you and your family will have healthcare, no matter what, you would feel differently. No system is perfect, but there is a better way than what we currently have. People are literally dying in one of the most richest countries in the world because they do not have healthcare, and I don't care what party you are or what country you're from, but that is just wrong.

    Come to think of, if you do it on a state level, did you ever consider what you do with people who will move to that state which provides good healthcare? What does that do to the economy, state-wise and nationally, if people from TX, for example, get up and go to CO, for example, because they will their health taken care of in CO? (may be a silly example, but do you understand what I mean?)
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  5. Visit  toekneejo profile page
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    Quote from SA2009
    I disagree in regards to paying/hours worked for teachers, at least at the schools where I have worked (public schools and Title I schools). Of course, if you work as instructors on college and university levels, it looks different, but I think public school teachers really would disagree with you. Having said that it really surprises me again and again, how Americans continue to tell me they do not trust their government but yet, you are the government. This is a democracy, correct? It just amazes me on how often I hear this. Lastly, all I can say that if you had ever lived under the umbrella of universal healthcare and lived with the security that you and your family will have healthcare, no matter what, you would feel differently. No system is perfect, but there is a better way than what we currently have. People are literally dying in one of the most richest countries in the world because they do not have healthcare, and I don't care what party you are or what country you're from, but that is just wrong.Come to think of, if you do it on a state level, did you ever consider what you do with people who will move to that state which provides good healthcare? What does that do to the economy, state-wise and nationally, if people from TX, for example, get up and go to CO, for example, because they will their health taken care of in CO? (may be a silly example, but do you understand what I mean?)
    Actually I do understand part of it and yes there would be issues of our mobile society but as an "off the top of my head" answer... I would assume when a person is insured their insurance would be in a term format so initially when you moved you would maintain your current plan. However, by the end of your term you need to have secured your residency requirements of where ever you had moved. In addition it would be prudent to look into the plans available to you prior to moving (similiar to looking into property taxes currently)Next for me I wouldn't say I don't trust the government but it is that I understand its limitations (I love my son but even though he wants to go on American Idol, I don't encourage him because I know his limits). In addition, America is NOT a democracy it is a Republic. As far as teachers, i don't know what you are referring to, maybe this wasn't in response to my post but I had addressed the other issues.
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  6. Visit  cdsga profile page
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    While SOME animals show empathy and care-they also leave the less than perfect un-nurtured and abandon some of their offspring who they instinctively know won't survive the cruel world. It is abominable to compare humans to animals in this discussion. Many humans, these days, treat animals better than their own fellow man.

    The difference in charity and gov't is that charity is a choice.

    Gov't run healthcare in the US unlike other areas of the world, is not the best idea-in my opinion. The Federal Gov't should only step in and regulate when the 50 states don't handle their business. Then it should be temporary-with a deadline for correction, not stay in for the long haul. States should have the lead role in tailoring healthcare plans for their people based on what their population needs and wants. Not the feds dictating what each state should do.
  7. Visit  tyvin profile page
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    er...ah...America is a constitutional republic. I've seen some posts referring to America as a democracy and other post attempting to correct them but here goes; a link, that IMO explains our form of government as succinctly as possible for such a large subject. Hey; there's always time for history.

    What is the American form of government? | The Center for Social Leadership
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  8. Visit  glowbug profile page
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    Quote from SA2009
    Well, first of all, in many countries universal healthcare is only part of what Americans call tax. Actually, it is a deduction which includes healthcare, unemployment, retirement, etc. So, please don't put it all in one pot.

    Secondly, as for acute care in America, I had a zygomatic arch and orbital blow-out fx with bones shifting in my face, went to the county hospital, and was not getting care until I put down $2000 because I did not have insurance but was above the poverity line in income (Dallas TX).

    Also, I have ulcerative colitis, with my insurance premium paid by myself would run around $300-600 a month, meds (running up to $200) not included. So, in 2008, I went back to my home country, got a colonoscopy ($25 there, $3000 in US) and my meds filled ($15 for 3 months - all meds).

    Now, yes, there are downfalls with universal healthcare, mainly that physicians and healthcare personnel earn less. Physicians are also held more accountable as to what prescriptions they write and its necessity. Having said that, the emphasis is on preventative care and longterm remissions, which includes a huge emphasis of patient/public education.

    I'm quite sure that most people do understand that insurance companies really determine much of the care, by either providing or pulling funds. Patients get discharged too early without aftercare because the insurance says they won't pay more and the hospitals/physicians/healthcare personnel don't work for free. It sickens me, though, to see how hospital administrators make huge, huge amounts of money and we save on patient care.

    Both systems are not perfect and, of course, you feel most comfortable in the one you are used to (creatures of habit), but I take universal healthcare anyday because I know that in case I lose my insurance for any reason, i.e. I develop cancer, I will have security to know I will be cared for, as I wish for my fellow citizens.

    I reside in Dallas as well and I have had to go out of country to obtain health care. Texas has the most uninsured individuals in the nation; many people that have jobs cannot afford health insurance or health insurance is simply not provided through their employer. There are annual group trips to Mexico where people visit a physician, get dental work, pick up their prescription medications, and even have surgery. I have truly enjoyed reading the responses in this thread, but I am shocked by the "we all have access to health care" statements. I too would take universal health care over the current system.

    Below, I have provided two links from the Texas Comptroller and a link from the Texas Medical Association pertaining to the uninsured in Texas as well as under-insured.

    Bordering the Future: Health
    May 2007 Fiscal Notes

    The Uninsured in Texas
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  9. Visit  DoGoodThenGo profile page
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    Quote from glowbug
    I reside in Dallas as well and I have had to go out of country to obtain health care. Texas has the most uninsured individuals in the nation; many people that have jobs cannot afford health insurance or health insurance is simply not provided through their employer. There are annual group trips to Mexico where people visit a physician, get dental work, pick up their prescription medications, and even have surgery. I have truly enjoyed reading the responses in this thread, but I am shocked by the "we all have access to health care" statements. I too would take universal health care over the current system.

    Below, I have provided two links from the Texas Comptroller and a link from the Texas Medical Association pertaining to the uninsured in Texas as well as under-insured.

    Bordering the Future: Health
    May 2007 Fiscal Notes

    The Uninsured in Texas
    Earlier this year a very good friend from another Internet group one belongs to died of colon cancer.

    A life long resident of Texas the man owned his own business but did not have insurance (he felt taking care of his employees was the better thing to do), and quite literally was allowed to die. MD Andersen and the rest of the big named along with smaller healthcare systems in the state turned their backs on him.
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  10. Visit  DoGoodThenGo profile page
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    Don't know if this has been addressed and am not going to wade though all the posts to find out, *LOL* but there are many parts to the "right to healthcare" in the United States. Most of it has to do with access.

    In France physicans attend medical school on the state's dime and are in most cases employees of same. That or there are rules and or laws in place that pretty much mandate whom they will treat and at what rate. OTOH the United States has no such system and that is where the problems start.

    There are already plenty of persons who have either "poor" insurance and or are on federal programs (Medicare, Medicaid) who cannot find a physican for love nor money. We're talking about large urban areas including New York City, as well as small towns. The only real leverage the federal government has over healthcare is via funding (again Medicare/Medicaid), so if doctors and or healthcare systems opt out that is the end of that. States OTHO do have more and bigger sticks they can use but that does not always happen.

    Indeed just read a news report a few weeks ago that one of the biggest "gains" from Obamacare, the ability to stop insurance companies from raising rates isn't what it's cracked up to be. Turns out neither the federal government nor most states have the power to stop most increases in rates. One government official in California put it bluntly "...they can tell us to go to he**, and there is nothing we can do".

    Long as the means of healthcare delivery remains in private (both profit and non-profit) hands access of care in the United States is going to be uneven at best.
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  11. Visit  FMF Corpsman profile page
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    It might be interesting to see what happens in Florida, the governor has boycotted ObamaCare and declined to participate in the Program. He has also been declining other Obama sponsored initiatives and programs since he's been elected. Personally, I think the man is an idiot. I know the man personally from his days as CEO and President of a multi million dollar Health Care Company he ran into bankruptcy and he was under indictment when he was running for governor, but he took the fifth amendment 99 times and skated by, by lying and throwing everyone else under the bus.
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    Quote from FMF Corpsman
    It might be interesting to see what happens in Florida, the governor has boycotted ObamaCare and declined to participate in the Program. He has also been declining other Obama sponsored initiatives and programs since he's been elected. Personally, I think the man is an idiot. I know the man personally from his days as CEO and President of a multi million dollar Health Care Company he ran into bankruptcy and he was under indictment when he was running for governor, but he took the fifth amendment 99 times and skated by, by lying and throwing everyone else under the bus.
    Govenors of all states and both parties will probably soon find out things are out of their control.

    The cuts to federal reimbursement rates are across the board and regardless of state/location of facility. Hospitals in states that are declining to participate in "Obamacare" will find themselves with less revenue but with the same if not increased costs from the under or uninsured. Without the mandated insurance, expanded Medicare/Medicaid there are few if any ways for facilities to get themselves financially "right".

    Mark my words, regardless of who wins the election in November, states that are talking big now are going to be sat down by the major healthcare systems in their state and told either stop the maddness or find ways to increase their funding.
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  13. Visit  MAISY, RN-ER profile page
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    The OP states that their belief is that healthcare is not a human right.....

    A nurse in her early 50's has been injured repeatedly during her career. One day she cannot more.....it is found that she multiple disc injuries which will not allow her to work in her field at the bedside any longer. This nurse has more than 20 years experience in Emergency medicine, but has a Diploma; therefore she is not "qualified" for any other nursing position.

    She uses up her time, but can't come back to work.

    She can't afford COBRA.

    She isn't old enough for Medicare.

    She's using a walker.

    Is it a human right for her? The person that helped so many others......No one ever thinks of those stuck in the middle. There but for the Grace of GOD.....to those who think healthcare is not a right!


    So many areas are cited when discussing healthcare for all; however I see only one. If GOD (or whatever name you use) provided man with the knowledge to heal. IT is our obligation share this knowledge with the masses, it is also our obligation to share the knowledge of prevention, maintenance, and end of life decision making with the masses.

    We cannot and should not keep everyone alive. There are many things I do not agree with in the healthcare technology available (especially at end of life and long term vented patients) ; however providing quality services as a country is the bare minimum that the America I believe in should be doing.

    Maisy
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    Concerning Canada, "Thecountry has little reason to worry about illegal immigration. The UnitedStates shares a long southern border with a country suffering from highlevels of crime, unemployment and income inequality. But there aren't millionsof Americans yearning to get into Canada. To put it another way, the United States'buffer zone from the eager masses is a shallow river. Canada's is the UnitedStates. That reduces unauthorized migration to Canada and eases public anxietyabout it. Canada also has a smaller population and lower birth rate than theUnited States--it needs immigrants for population growth."
    http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/05/immigration

    50 % ofCanadian immigrants arrive with a Bachelor's degree. Providing health care for another countriescitizen is very controversial especially, when people in our own backyard aresuffering. Although Canada's situationis admirable, it is also unique to Canada and not most other countries.


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