Cheney would "probably be dead by now" if not for his federally funded health care

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Published

December 7, 2007, 2:58 pm

Nurses' Health-Care Ad Takes Aim at Cheney

Susan Davis reports on health care.

Vice President Dick Cheney would "probably be dead by now" if not for his federally funded health care, according to an eye-catching ad calling for universal health care that will run Monday in ten Iowa newspapers. The ad is union-funded by the California Nurses Association and its national arm, the National Nurses Organizing Committee, which represents 75,000 nurses.

"The patient's history and prognosis were grim: four heart attacks, quadruple bypass surgery, angioplasty, an implanted defibrillator and now an emergency procedure to treat an irregular heartbeat," the ad states, referencing Cheney's lengthy medical chart. "For millions of Americans, this might be a death sentence. For the vice president, it was just another medical treatment. And it cost him very little."

The group is calling on the presidential candidates to support a single-payer government-run health-care bill introduced in Congress by Rep. John Conyers (D., Mich.) that has 88 co-sponsors, including long-shot Democratic candidate Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio.

The three Democratic front-runners have all proposed sweeping plans to cover all or nearly all uninsured. Republicans have offered more modest plans and none advocate a single-payer system. The nurses group opposes the plans of Sens. Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and former Sen. John Edwards because they argue that each plan will "continue to rely upon the wasteful inclusion of private insurance companies." The single-payer plan would take insurance companies out of the equation altogether. ...

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2007/12/07/nurses-health-care-ad-takes-aim-at-cheney/

Specializes in Public Health, DEI.
Government did not give you the right to vote. Individuals that wrote the constitution did. Individuals who fought and paid with blood, sweat and tears gave you that right. Government gives us nothing.

Everything is paid for by someone. People who freeload off the government the most are the ones who contribute the least and the folks that contribute the most use the government the least.

Universal health care is just one more thing that would reinforce the entitlement mantra.

Does this little tidbit sound familiar to you at all...government of the people, by the people and for the people... ? Or doesn't Abraham Lincoln count in the blood, sweat and tears set of which you speak (with a fife playing in the background, no doubt).

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Ok...lemme rephrase that. So you mean the government was not my friend when it recognized my God-given right as a woman to vote? That only happened in the last 100 years or so.

No... the government was not your friend; and is not to this day your friend. Individuals fought to ensure that your right to vote was recognized by the government there were many in that fight who paid with their lives to get "government" to change.

Individuals...

Source please..
Well common sense.. I do not know many multi millionares living in subsidized housing and I do not know anyone living in subsidized housing that are paying out a whole lot in taxes. I am sure that there are references to this as well... but i figured it was just common sense... if you disagree; please enlighten me on how I am wrong.

if they feel that they are entitled to it... they are part of the entitlement crowd.

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Does this little tidbit sound familiar to you at all...government of the people, by the people and for the people... ? Or doesn't Abraham Lincoln count in the blood, sweat and tears set of which you speak (with a fife playing in the background, no doubt).

Where in the Gettysburg address did Lincoln say that "We will provide healthcare; housing... welfare for all..."

and btw... Abe was referencing those that fought and died...

"that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom; and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the Earth"

And government of the people, by the people, for the people does not even loosely translate into healthcare for all; it means that WE should vote and choose leaders that represent us and our beliefs; NOT that we should entitle everyone to their own perfect little world.

Specializes in Public Health, DEI.
Where in the Gettysburg address did Lincoln say that "We will provide healthcare; housing... welfare for all..."

and btw... Abe was referencing those that fought and died...

"that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom; and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the Earth"

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Where did I say Abe said thing one about subsidized housing? I know perfectly well what Abe was referencing in the Gettysburg address. I quoted only that part of the address that was relevant to my point. There was no need for you to expand upon it, unless you were going to also expand on the point, which you didn't do. I chose just those words, because you continue to refer to how the government is "not our friend", as if we do not comprise the government.

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Where did I say Abe said thing one about subsidized housing? I know perfectly well what Abe was referencing in the Gettysburg address. I quoted only that part of the address that was relevant to my point. There was no need for you to expand upon it, unless you were going to also expand on the point, which you didn't do. I chose just those words, because you continue to refer to how the government is "not our friend", as if we do not comprise the government.

The government is an entity. It is not a person. It can not be "your friend". In fact one of the many problems that have occured in the United States results from the tryanny of majority.

Slavery

Women's sufferage

etc the list can go on and on.

So the government of me; by me and for me is not going to be a friend of yours.

neither is one of you, for you, and by you going to be a friend of mine.

Your quote... lacked context. And to expand upon illustrates that individuals... not government.. secure and protect our rights.

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It didn't lack content, it was precise to what I wanted to say. That it wasn't what you wanted to hear isn't exactly my problem.

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It didn't lack content, it was precise to what I wanted to say. That it wasn't what you wanted to hear isn't exactly my problem.

No you quoted a quote... without context... in a thread about federal healthcare... the expansion of Abe's quote furthered my own position that it is individuals.. not government... that secure rights; as I previously stated.

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The government is an entity. It is not a person. It can not be "your friend". In fact one of the many problems that have occured in the United States results from the tryanny of majority.

Slavery

Women's sufferage

etc the list can go on and on.

So the government of me; by me and for me is not going to be a friend of yours.

neither is one of you, for you, and by you going to be a friend of mine.

Your quote... lacked context. And to expand upon illustrates that individuals... not government.. secure and protect our rights.

PLEASE tell me you didn't mean that women's suffrage is a problem:madface:......

Way way way far afield......

Markets are amoral. Health care managed for the profit of investors has shown itself to be pretty inefficient and expensive. When (not if) we the people decide that a national health care model should be designed and and implemented through the political process than it will be. I have a friend who is a financial analyst for Seagate. His take on his readings from the business literature is that the corporate world wants to see a universal plan to socialize the finance of health care.

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PLEASE tell me you didn't mean that women's suffrage is a problem:madface:......

Um-the lack thereof was one until a relatively short time ago...

maybe that was implied... but not clearly stated. Sorry.

Specializes in ICU M/S Peds Home Health.
Way way way far afield......

Markets are amoral. Health care managed for the profit of investors has shown itself to be pretty inefficient and expensive. When (not if) we the people decide that a national health care model should be designed and and implemented through the political process than it will be. I have a friend who is a financial analyst for Seagate. His take on his readings from the business literature is that the corporate world wants to see a universal plan to socialize the finance of health care.

Heh? what corporate bodies want to shift the burden of healthcare from individuals to squarely on their back. I am curious as to what board members and shareholders want to reduce their profits for alturism.

Specializes in Public Health, DEI.
No you quoted a quote... without context... in a thread about federal healthcare... the expansion of Abe's quote furthered my own position that it is individuals.. not government... that secure rights; as I previously stated.

It had the context I wanted it to have, pertinent to the point I wished to make. It isn't your place to explain to me what I meant or what would have been more appropriate. Thank you, though.

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