Cheney would "probably be dead by now" if not for his federally funded health care - page 14

December 7, 2007, 2:58 pm Nurses' Health-Care Ad Takes Aim at Cheney Susan Davis reports on health care. Vice President Dick Cheney would "probably be dead by now" if not for his federally... Read More

  1. by   MBANurse
    Quote from mercyteapot
    It had the context I wanted it to have, pertinent to the point I wished to make. It isn't your place to explain to me what I meant or what would have been more appropriate. Thank you, though.
    Oh your welcome... I guess if it made sense to you; then that is what is important.

    oh and I didn't explain "your side' I stated why I expanded upon it.
    Last edit by MBANurse on Dec 27, '07
  2. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from MBANurse
    Oh your welcome... I guess if it made sense to you; then that is what is important.

    oh and I didn't explain "your side' I stated why I expanded upon it.
    How is it possible for you to expand upon a thought with which you continually state your disagreement? But, hey, "if it makes sense to you"...
  3. by   MBANurse
    Quote from mercyteapot
    How is it possible for you to expand upon a thought with which you continually state your disagreement? But, hey, "if it makes sense to you"...
    I expanded upon the quote from the Gettysburg address to highlight the point that people died to secure our rights and freedom; not the government.

    Or maybe I should say that I included parts from the address that you left out to highlight that individuals; not government secure our rights.

    I am sorry that you misunderstood that.
  4. by   mercyteapot
    That's fine, but it wasn't the point I was trying to make. Perhaps in the future, if you have a point to make beyond one of mine, you could just do it in a separate post, instead of, in your own words, "expanding on" mine.

    I didn't misunderstand anything. Disagreeing isn't the same as misunderstanding and it is patronizing to suggest otherwise.
  5. by   MBANurse
    Quote from mercyteapot
    That's fine, but it wasn't the point I was trying to make. Perhaps in the future, if you have a point to make beyond one of mine, you could just do it in a separate post, instead of, in your own words, "expanding on" mine.

    I didn't misunderstand anything. Disagreeing isn't the same as misunderstanding and it is patronizing to suggest otherwise.
    Yes.. it is. Thank you for pointing that out.

    I didnt know what point you were trying to make.
    You didnt say in what direction you were heading until after I filled the rest of the quote from the Gettysburg Address; to support MY point.
    Last edit by MBANurse on Dec 27, '07
  6. by   mercyteapot
    The only direction I was trying to take was that you continue to refer to the government as if it isn't comprised of all of us. Yes, it is an entity, but it isn't an entity that operates independent of its parts.

    Had I wished to make a point beyond that, I would have been perfectly capable of doing so.
  7. by   MBANurse
    Self edit
    Last edit by MBANurse on Dec 27, '07
  8. by   BBFRN
    Quote from MBANurse
    Heh? what corporate bodies want to shift the burden of healthcare from individuals to squarely on their back. I am curious as to what board members and shareholders want to reduce their profits for alturism.
    The burden isn't on individuals right now- it's mostly on employers, who are paying the majority of insurance costs. It isn't altruism. It's corporate common sense. A single payer system will place the cost back on individuals through the tax system, and businesses will no longer have to finance the bulk of insurance costs. That is why some businesses are for the single payer system.
  9. by   MBANurse
    Quote from Baptized_By_Fire
    The burden isn't on individuals right now- it's mostly on employers, who are paying the majority of insurance costs. It isn't altruism. It's corporate common sense. A single payer system will place the cost back on individuals through the tax system, and businesses will no longer have to finance the bulk of insurance costs. That is why some businesses are for the single payer system.
    The taxes that are going to be leavied to finance this are going to be against the biggest tax payers... the Corporations and the Wealthy.
    Then the rest of us... then we are going to complain that we are being taxed to heavily.. then the government will shift the tax burden even further to the wealthy and corporations "because they can afford it."

    Granted my circle of CEO and CFO friends is small (read non existent) but folks that I know and speak with anticipate something exactly like this happening.
  10. by   BBFRN
    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...NopjlC:e20616:

    Text from the actual bill itself, addressing proposed funding:

    "Intent- Sums appropriated pursuant to subsection (b) shall be paid for--
      • (1) by vastly reducing paperwork;
      • (2) by requiring a rational bulk procurement of medications;
      • (3) from existing sources of Federal government revenues for health care;
      • (4) by increasing personal income taxes on the top 5 percent income earners;
      • (5) by instituting a modest payroll tax; and
      • (6) by instituting a small tax on stock and bond transactions."



  11. by   BBFRN
    Quote from MBANurse
    The taxes that are going to be leavied to finance this are going to be against the biggest tax payers... the Corporations and the Wealthy.
    Then the rest of us... then we are going to complain that we are being taxed to heavily.. then the government will shift the tax burden even further to the wealthy and corporations "because they can afford it."

    Granted my circle of CEO and CFO friends is small (read non existent) but folks that I know and speak with anticipate something exactly like this happening.
    I have to say, I can see where you are coming from here. The odd thing is that the end result would probably put us right where we are today, with employer subsidized health care, but with a higher individual tax pay out. That is something to consider.
  12. by   ElvishDNP
    In the interest of allowing the passion of this debate to cool a bit, the mods have put our heads together & decided to close this thread for a few hours. Thanks.

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