Are we experiencing mass burnout in healthcare? - page 6

This was written in response to a thread where a nurse experienced lateral violence at the hands of her preceptor. I thought it would be an appropriate discussion to start in this area. Thoughts? ... Read More

  1. by   nursemike
    Quote from goodneighbor

    (OK what do these PERSONS want)

    Thanks. (I liked your whole post, but especially appreciated this part!)
  2. by   nursemike
    I also looked up S 1031. Thanks, Tabitha. I'll be writing and/or e-mailing Senators Rockefeller and Byrd tomorrow. My one concern is what it will mean for LPNs, but it looks like they'll be okay. I hope.

    I've been spreading the word among my coworkers, as well. Not quite ready to call myself a nursing activist, just yet, but you gotta start somewhere, I guess.
  3. by   SheaTab

    I am thrilled to hear that you are supporting this bill. It has been referred to the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee.

    Since the bill was referred, you might check to see if one of your state or local reps is sitting on this committee. Mine aren't. I am working on figuring out the best way to have our voices heard regarding this bill. Again, in order to make a difference, we will need to be widely represented.

    I know that you say you aren't quite a nurse advocate yet, but I have to say, "could of fooled me." Your presence on allnurses and comments here tell a different story. You are passionate about the work you do and I'll bet you'd like to leave this profession in better condition than you found it. I want to thank you for being involved here. It means the world to me and even just spreading the word will make a difference.

    Thanks again,


    Quote from nursemike
    I also looked up S 1031. Thanks, Tabitha. I'll be writing and/or e-mailing Senators Rockefeller and Byrd tomorrow. My one concern is what it will mean for LPNs, but it looks like they'll be okay. I hope.

    I've been spreading the word among my coworkers, as well. Not quite ready to call myself a nursing activist, just yet, but you gotta start somewhere, I guess.
  4. by   SheaTab
    Quote from goodneighbor
    S. 1031:
    National Nursing Shortage Reform and Patient Advocacy Act

    Oh, it's wonderful. It's " A bill to amend the Public Health Service Act to establish direct care registered nurse-to-patient staffing ratio requirements in hospitals, and for other purposes" You can do a search under S 1031. What do we do, write to our Congresspersons? Will have to get educated about this one!
    See my latest post to NurseMike. This bill has been referred to a special committee. I am going to do some more research over the next couple of days. Thank you so much for your interest. This is truly one of the most important things we do as nurses--advocate for the safety of our patients.

    Much Respect,

  5. by   SheaTab
    What a great story. These moments are precious and sometimes make all the difference in the world. It's funny, I found myself talking to a young patient's mother about tough love the other day in the ED hall. We talked about life, her younger kids, and her exasperation. I made some suggestions and as I was about to walk away, she held out her arms to hug me. I had just met this woman as she had arrived minutes ago to retrieve her wayward kid. We do make a difference and these moments we spend teaching, coaching, soothing, case managing, and listening are just as important as those where we insert foleys, pass meds, and start IVs. I only wish that this time was factored into our care. Keep doing what you do, Mike.

    You're an example,


    Quote from nursemike

    I think I'm in kind of an odd position, in that, until the last year or so, I was probably correct to blame myself for the trouble I sometimes had getting my work done. When you're new and inexperienced, something as simple as starting an IV can put you behind for the rest of your shift. And that old devil, time management, can take a while to develop. (Actually, I really dislike the whole idea of time management, in the sense that it's much too vague. But I'll concede that it fits for things like going in to change a dressing and finding you forgot half the supplies you need. On the other hand, doing a careful assessment or performing chest PT doesn't really seem like poor time management, does it?)
    Still, one of my mentors prepared me, somewhat. First couple years, all you can think is, "Can I do this?" Next couple of years, you're kinda giddy as you realize, "Hey, I can do this!" But after that, you get to the point where you have to ask, "Should I be doing this?" For sure, the job has it's share of negatives, but I think I'm leaning toward I should be doing this. Some of the positives are pretty darned positive. And I do find that among all the many tasks, I do find some time to do the things that drew me to nursing in the first place. Like the night I had an ortho pt with intractable pain despite massive amounts of medication. I gave all the meds that were ordered, reported the lack of relief to the resident on call, cussed and kicked the Pyxis, but the best thing I did that shift was probably pulling up a chair and listening to her gripe for about ten minutes. She was on the call button a lot less, after that, and I think the demonstration that someone did care improved her pain tolerance a bit. Pain is depressing, and depression aggravates pain.
    That example certainly isn't RN specific, and probably not a great example of critical thinking. It may sound surprising from a male (or maybe not) but I've come to view "critical feeling" as one of the more important aspects of nursing. In school, an instructor asked me why I chose a particular intervention on one of my careplans, and I answered truthfully, "It felt right." She affirmed the value of intuition, but quite properly also insisted I go back and find a scientific basis for whatever it was.

    I agree with you that assessment is one of the most important, perhaps the single most important, parts of the nursing process. I've noticed that some of my coworkers seem to get through them awfully quickly. But I've learned to be a bit more flexible about what constitutes an assessment. I've had a couple of nights were my assessments were done one system at a time--put a patient back in bed, assess mental status. Put him on a bedpan, assess skin. Put him in restraints, assess circulation. Loosen restraints, assess respiration. And so on.
    More typically, I try to do a complete head to toe at the start of my shift. Our standard of practice is that each patient must have a full head to toe in each 24 hr period, and our custom is that's done at midnight. I do them, but I take into consideration what I saw on my start of shift. Some patients need their butts checked every four hours, but some don't, and if there were no issues at 2000, they're likely okay at 2400. So my second head to toe is a bit focused, mostly out of consideration for patient comfort.
    My 0400 is supposed to be a focal assesment, unless I'm in stepdown. On my unit, that generally means neuro checks and look at their vitals, which the aides usually collect, plus anything else that seems particularly relevent, like a dressing, and most patients need respiration and pulses checked, just because they can go so bad so quickly. My neuro checks, though, are often, "How do you feel? Do you need anything?"
    I did one memorable assessment without a stethoscope. Pt was doing fine on her previous assessments, but whe I got there I'd forgotten my scope, but did have a pulse oximeter. Everything else was cool, so I joked that the pulse ox was a "lazy man's stethoscope." Then, later, we were chatting, and I found out she was a nursing instructor. Uh-oh!!! But she was okay with it, and even complimentary, and d/c'd the next morning.

    So, now I'm doing charge, occassionally, and part of that is mentoring newer nurses who've completed orientation, but are still working through the "Can I do this?" phase, and one in particular is having a tough time setting priorities and managing her time. I see her notes, and they're amazingly complete. I've seen her fretting over charting--"We're those pupils 'brisk' or just 'normal'. Was it XXX or YYY that had an SpO2 of 96%?" Which would be great, if she didn't occassionally miss things that matter more. So I find myself encouraging her to be a bit "sloppier," in her practice, and that feels wierd. Still, I think there are times when practical nursing is more important than figuring out why a potassium level was 4.0 yesterday and is 3.9 today.
  6. by   SheaTab

    Hilarious! I totally thought that you lived in Washington State for some reason! Well, here's to hoping that someone in Washington State will stand in for you because Texas is one big old state! You make an excellent point about the nursing "shortage." There doesn't appear to be one presently. I hope this is short-lived! A bill in favor of a nationally mandated nurse-to-patient ratio would certainly put nurses to work.


    Quote from goodneighbor
    Wow, Tabitha, thank you for addressing your response/challenge to me! I wish I could write as well as you! Sure, I'll be happy to stand up for the nurses in Washington State, but I am in Texas and I'll have to stand here too! I will check to see what S103 is (some activist!). We have here Senate Bill SB476 regarding Nurse Staffing. ... Nursemike, you are inspiring also and help make it all worthwhile. Well, thinking about this discussion throughout my day I kind of thought that there was a tremendous PR thing going on about "the nursing shortage" that has been picked up by NYTimes, Newsweek etc. etc. It seems that it has been promulgated by some entity that somehow benefits by it(?) I have read a lot of posts and have friends that are trying to get jobs that are not there. Especially new nurses. Schedulers say they are going crazy trying to staff but everyone has a "hiring freeze". Witness the intense interest that was just shown in the part time Mollen vaccination clinics on our boards. Another thing I thought about is that it seems that Hospital Administrators at the top level perhaps seem to think of us a "glorified clerks".[i.e."Well, they're college educated, they must be able to fill out a few forms correctly"] It's as though they are so impressed with documentation that they conceive us as sitting at a desk orchestrating care by UAPs, Techs, transport aides, housekeeping--sort of like a foreman of the floor. And we learn so little of this in Nursing School. And we, silly things, want to deal in vomit and blood and pain. I can see them saying.."What do these women want!" (OK what do these PERSONS want) Yes we want it all. We want to have hands on with the patient and we want to handle the paperwork, doctor interface, community of care thing. I read a forty two page job description of charge nurse duties that, well, no one could do well for the patient load. I'd like to see some ideas of how we ourselves define our job; what we ourselves conceive as the role of the nurse. I'm still new and learning all the unwritten, unspoken aspects of the job. Sometimes I'd like to just ask: "What is our goal here-what are we really trying to accomplish?" Many times I've been surprised to see it wasn't what I thought it was.