Drug addicted nurses - page 9

I am a nursing student and in one of my classes we have recently talked about nurses and substance abuse. I think that it is hard for me to wrap my brain around the issue. My questions are: 1.... Read More

  1. by   Bipley
    Quote from grannynurse FNP student
    Either you learn to accept your parent's illness or you will be frustrated to no end when they do not wish to seek treatment. You can't live another person's life and trying is a waste of time and energy. And you haven't accepted her illness, if you continue to force her into treatment.
    As explained ealier, my Mom is dead due to alcohol issues. My Dad was subjected to the same forced treatment and was clean and sober for the last 20 years of his life. He thanked me for 20 years for petitioning him three times.

    Now that we have my personal information out of the way let me tell you that you are invoking a straw man here. I responded to your post and you are writing about something that isn't even at issue in order to dodge the actual topic. Perhaps this is to avoid defending your claims I called you on.

    I'm still waiting for you to show me where in the constitution it says that a school cannot ask a child if there are drug problems at home, or... listen if the child wants to tell of drug/alcohol problems at home.

    You are right, we couldn't agree on any issue discussed in this thread. You want to be police officer, judge and jury. I don't want to be any of them. And I also do not want my grandchildren being encouraged to report me or their parents for any suspected drug use. It is not the schools business and maybe they should spend more time and money on teachinh children reading, writing and math, instead oof how to be a snitch on their parents.
    Nope, no desire to be in law enforcement (and quite likely why I chose medicine) but I do happen to think the welfare of the child outweighs the parents "right" to abuse that child due to addiction. I want you to defend your claim and show me where in the constitution a teacher is unable to ask about family problems, more specifically... drug problems of her student. YOU wrote it is in the constitution. I've read the thing and I never read any such nonsense. Please, stop dodging the topic and enlighten me a bit.

    While you are at it, you are free to defend your other claim that the "just say no" programs encourages little children to turn in their drug abusing and alcoholic parents. (As if that is a bad thing anyway, the horror of it all! Helping little kids through the emotional turmoil of addicted parents!)

    However, we both know that isn't likely to happen, is it?
  2. by   LoriAlabamaRN
    Quote from gianna2111
    I understand what you are saying and I agree it is a family issue, however to go after a nurse as so far as to cross reference a name which is what someone sent me a thread that they did just that. They cross referenced her name, then reported her to the board. I simply dont agree. I live this life myself and I am staying clean. She has to want to do this on her own. I think to report someone by tracking them down puts a downer on this board because you cant share freely. They say in NA and AA that what is said here stays here. I see your point if she has children but to go after her paycheck. That will do nothing but make her use even more. There are other means such as warning her first to get the help she needs or you will go to the board. To just up and go is viscious attack on her and her family due to lack of paycheck on top of everything else. She has to hit rock bottom on her own to finally want and get the help. Obviously if I see a nurse at work using I would report to the charge RN or Director but this board is confidential. It should stay here only. What can I say. Nurses eat there young. Its a fact. Whoever did report her must feel proud now.
    I dont agree at all. There is interventions, tell her to check in to rehab etc before you go to board. This is why I dont share anything about myself on this board any further. It is taken and ran with. Sad.
    I think you misunderstood the situation I described. It WAS a nurse working with me, and she not only used on the job but was busted for forging stolen prescriptions. She then used her stockpile of meds to attempt suicide, all while 6 months pregnant. It was not just me who sent an anonymous tip to the Georgia BON, I did it with three coworkers at my last job. That was because this nurse was not only a danger to herself, but also to her patients. I never cross-referenced anything. I said that I figured the BON could do that with Alabama's BON. I'm not seeking to randomly turn people into the board. I'm not evil or malicious as you have described me. This nurse was absolutely out of control, and by the anonymous tip we hope that if she DID manage to get a job where she handled narcs on another license, she will be safely removed from the situation.
  3. by   LoriAlabamaRN
    Quote from gianna2111
    I can appreciate cross referencing however this nurse has to want to get help on her own. I do however agree patient safety is number one. I myself am working on this, staying clean daily and doing 12 step meetings. I feel empathy for this girl. She is running from some feeling in her life. It doesnt work. I tried for a long time. In the end you face criminal charges, state board issues and a low self esteem. I hope by doing what is asked of me now things will fall into place. I get counseling every week and go to numerous meetings. I also randomly submit to ua screens. I pray daily. It will be a lifetime battle but I embrace my fellow nurses with this same affliction.
    As do I, which is why two other nurses and I made the decision to leave the tip that we did.
  4. by   jerseyboy
    loriAlabamaRN,
    Ever heard of karma?
  5. by   southern_rn_brat
    Quote from jerseyboy
    loriAlabamaRN,
    Ever heard of karma?
    karma? she suspected a nurse of drug abuse on the job and did the right thing. As a nurse, you are required to report any suspected drug use. Patient safety is supposed to be our #1 concern. Hopefully addicts can get the help they need with an intervention but a drug using nurse needs to be out of patient care while using.
  6. by   Balder_LPN
    Quote from LoriAlabamaRN
    I think you misunderstood the situation I described. It WAS a nurse working with me, and she not only used on the job but was busted for forging stolen prescriptions. She then used her stockpile of meds to attempt suicide, all while 6 months pregnant. It was not just me who sent an anonymous tip to the Georgia BON, I did it with three coworkers at my last job. That was because this nurse was not only a danger to herself, but also to her patients. I never cross-referenced anything. I said that I figured the BON could do that with Alabama's BON. I'm not seeking to randomly turn people into the board. I'm not evil or malicious as you have described me. This nurse was absolutely out of control, and by the anonymous tip we hope that if she DID manage to get a job where she handled narcs on another license, she will be safely removed from the situation.
    You did the right thing
  7. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    (How about getting back to the subject at hand???? )
  8. by   Bipley
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    (How about getting back to the subject at hand???? )
    We are discussing the topic at hand. Behaviors have consequences, even for those who should know better than calling this a choice.
  9. by   Nurs.shel
    PROFILE OF A CHEMICALLY DEPENDENT NURSE:
    1. Usually occurs in adult life.
    2. Initial use does not take place for "kicks"
    3. Likely to have history of chemically dependent family.
    4. Chemical usage is solitary, not social.
    5. Continues to feel responsible about work and tries to meet work and family responsibilities.

    6. Street crime is not generallu a means to obtain drugs.
    7. History is usually negative for childhood or adolescent delinquincy problems.

    8. Has conventional life attitude : traditional background.
    9. Is demanding of self: has a tendency towards denying or ignoring tension, depression, boredom, and unhappiness.

    10. Expresses more guilt / shame about drug use than general population.
    11. For those who have been disciplined for diversion, Demerol is the drug of choice.

    12. Male nurses, ER and critical care nurses are high risk categories.
    13. Alcohol is drug of choice for a large number of addicted professionals.
    14. Usually graduate in the upper 25% of their class.
    15. Have advanced degrees, anbitions and are achievent oriented.
    16. Have demanding and responsible jobs.
    17. Are Very highly respected for their excellent work.
    Last edit by Nurs.shel on Dec 20, '05
  10. by   southern_rn_brat
    congratulations on 17 days sober:kiss
  11. by   jerseyboy
    Nurs.shel,
    You more than likely aren't an addict. Of course you will be labeled one, everyone who walks throught the doors of a treatment center is. You have to be so they can bill your insurance company. You say you have suffered from life long depression. That is more than likely your problem and one reason you didn't want to quit because the Dilaudid made you feel normal. You say that the Dilaudid seemed to flip a switch in your brain that antidepressants didn't. There may be a reason for that.
    http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286...w=wn_tophead_4
    Doesn't is seem ironic that for all of your honesty you got reported to your board, the police and fired from your job? Perhaps someday opiates will be available to those who wish to use them, just like they were for some 40,000 years prior to 1914.
  12. by   Nurs.shel
    Thanks, Jerseyboy! That makes so much sence! I appreciate your feedback.
  13. by   Tula
    Quote from steelcityrn
    I personally have a zero tolorence for a nurse who has stolen medication and or uses drugs and is able to keep a nursing license.
    I'm sorry you feel that way. Nobody is perfect, and everybody deserves a second chance. It's sad that you cannot try to understand addiction because it's everywhere and is a growing issue in nursing. Surely someone you work with has a drug addiction that you don't even know about. Try to learn and understand before you judge.

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