concurrency, concurrency, frustration.. please no arguments

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    I dont understand why the CA-BON is basing their concurrency judgements on our clinical cases. They think our theory and practicals weren't taken at the same time because of the dates shown on our clinical cases but is that really the case??




    When I was still in school I had my theory and practical at the same time. I would get a few cases on that time span of my clinical exposure sometimes none but it doesn't mean that I wasn't there doing my job as a student nurse. I was there providing health education, health assessments, checking of vital signs and so on and so forth. The reason why its unfair to us is that our cases and the time of our clinical exposure is not entirely related.




    In the philippines the board of nursing REQUIRES a student TO COMPLETE THEIR CLINICAL CASES before taking the local board exam. To those who don't know what our clinical cases are its consist of 5 major surgery, 5 minor surgery, 5 actual delivery (delivery of a baby), 5 cord care, 5 assist (assisting in the delivery of the baby). Like what I said a while ago sometimes we wont have any cases on that day meaning I wasn't able to deliver a baby or provide cord care or assist in delivering a baby or perform as a scrub nurse or perform as a circulating nurse in the operating room or emergency room BUT I was there performing the normal duties of a student nurse e.g Internal Exam, wound care, providing medications etc. or let say I was just performing the normal duties of a student nurse here in the US. When your lucky sometimes you can complete them all at one rotation. DO YOU SEE MY POINT?




    So lets say I was able to finish my minor cases on one rotation does it mean that I don't have to go to my next MS rotation OF COURSE NOT! I can perform another 5 on a different hospital and use that on my form if I wanted to. I don't want to further explain this but I just wanted to get my point across.




    Actually I was quiet hesitant about sharing this but I just cant tolerate how people would say that our education do not meet the minimum requirement of the Board of Nursing when in fact their basis of the concurrency issue is entirely wrong. The truth is they don't fully understand the purpose/meaning of the clinical cases. However at this time it wouldn't matter anymore esp with this bad economy and overflow of nurses why bother clarify things like this.


    I don't want any arguments about this, just wanted to get my point across. There are other reasons why the date on our clinical cases isn't the same with the dates on our theory, its case to case basis. I chose not to use the word concurrent for people might use it against me. Anyways I just didnt want to further explain the other reasons for that, I hope someone does but not me. Have a good day everyone and hope this helps clarify some issues.
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    Now the PRC new requirements for new curriculum is 3 cases for each area. Not minor/major cases, but 3 surgical scrub and 3circulating. 3 Actual, 3 assist, and 3 cord care. Thats it, which makes it even MESSED up for someone applying for nclex. Grrrr
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    Quote from mikayjesther
    Now the PRC new requirements for new curriculum is 3 cases for each area. Not minor/major cases, but 3 surgical scrub and 3circulating. 3 Actual, 3 assist, and 3 cord care. Thats it, which makes it even MESSED up for someone applying for nclex. Grrrr
    The 3 cases is finally implemented, supposedly it would start with my batch (2011) but didnt push through. Nice that it has been implemented so nursing students wouldn't need to pay extra fees for having a completion. Bad news for those trying to apply for NCLEX in CA for it creates confusion but hey hopefully it will shed some light to CA BON.
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    Roxygal_18: points well taken! It would be nice if you elaborate more on your thoughts, but it's ok you decided not to for whatever reasons, not a problem.

    I know that a friend who was also denied, wrote a letter maybe similar but more detailed (as in dates and years done), not sure as I got this information from her brother, but she asked after the first denial and went to the Appeals board and reviewed by the CA BON committee members, they still did not accept her reasoning as it still did not meet with the minimum requirements as set forth.

    So she lost the appeals process and now looking to try NY, but she can't see working there since everyone is on the west coast and her friends who did pass the NCLEX can't find a job even in the nursing homes, there's so much more newer local grads there and they are hiring from within. Not even a call back or one interview yet for the past 10 months and have applied everywhere (her last e-mail in Dec. was 83 places, including hospitals).
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    Quote from mikayjesther
    Now the PRC new requirements for new curriculum is 3 cases for each area. Not minor/major cases, but 3 surgical scrub and 3circulating. 3 Actual, 3 assist, and 3 cord care. Thats it, which makes it even MESSED up for someone applying for nclex. Grrrr
    I've heard from others, that with this change will it result in possible "shortage of the required minimum clinical hours" needed to pass the State's BONs?

    Really, this major decision from the CHED needs to make sure they are in full 100% compliance with at least the CA BON. CHED etal needs to hire some CA experts to review this change and make sure it's in full exact compliance or else, there's another reason for application rejections.

    I think if the CHED is doing this on their own without professional experts having full knowledge of the CA BON rules, it's going to be a big waste of time and money on the students.

    As we all know, the CHED, PRC and PNA don't have to change the curriculums to comply with the States, their only concern is for the country's own requirements.

    Since by CHED's own admission that over 33% of all PH grads do come back or prefer to work in CA, they better know what they are doing.

    The ones who should be the watchdogs also ARE the new and upcoming students, they need to put the pressure on the CHED etal or else, they do are partly to blame for any future problems in applying into the States, this is their chance and again no blaming of the State's BON.

    If there's a future problem, then the blame belongs to the students who should have been in charge of making sure they are getting the proper requirements if they plan to work in the States.
    Last edit by steppybay on Jan 4, '13 : Reason: ++ info
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