Clinical hours short of NMC suggestion? - page 8
First of all, I really hope Silverdragon reads this and gives me insight. I have sent out my application as well as all of my paperwork to the NMC for my nursing license, except my training... Read More
Aug 27, '12Quote from babyRN.I've been told that because of the NMC code of conduct, nurses basically can't protest much. Like strikes are not allowed, for example (or risk losing your license). Additionally, you must report any wrongdoings (of course), but you also run the risk of being fired for doing so without much union repercussion. Our professor told of us of many stories while I was taking the ONP class...
I'd have to disagree with the statement about being fired, it is extremely difficult to get dismissed in the NHS because of the HR policies that protect staff. I've worked over 25 years in the health service and have only known 3 nurses fired, and they were for misconduct.
Aug 27, '12Okay, to be fair I have no experience of nursing in the UK. This is just what the professor at the UK university told our class about the punitive measures. There was a couple from Australia who were also lawyers who said it didn't seem legal/equitable, but the professor said that was kind of the way things were. Maybe it was different when this professor was actually at the bedside? I didn't know if she currently practiced or was just teaching at the school.
One of the biggest cases was a nurse who gave an overdose of antibiotics to a kid (who then died) and was fired, although the doctor who prescribed it didn't have anything happen to him.
She also told us of a story who spoke out against a surgeon who was doing ethically wrong things and the hospital fired her for reporting him.
Aug 28, '12My experience is completely different.
Medicine errors will get you challenged but rarely dismissed unless its a number of consecutive errors, or a catastrophic error.
Highlighting poor practice again unlikely to get you dismissed and in fact actively encouraged.
Sep 8, '12Hi there,
I've read through this forum and tried to find the answer to my questions elsewhere, so apologies if I've missed the mark but this does seem like the best place to voice my concerns, and I'd really appreciate any help. Coffee Nurse, babyRN, and Silverdragon in particular, if you read this I would appreciate your advice.
I'm 28 and JUST starting my nursing prerequisites; I will be a second-degree student, as I already have a BA in English. I was already leaning towards getting my BSN and working for awhile before ultimately acquiring my NP degree, but then I discovered that travel nursing existed, and I nearly imploded from excitement. But now I am doing quite a bit of research that's making it seem like working for a travel company like Continental Travel Nurse in the UK would be difficult, if not outright impossible. I want to make clear that (at least at this moment) I am NOT interested in immigrating to the UK; I merely wish to work there as a travel nurse for a period of time, likely through CTN, if possible.
I am in particular concerned about the strict hour requirements---I read through this thread and elsewhere, and have been told verbally by a lady with Continental Travel Nurse that the NMC accepts nurses with BSN's from the US, most of which do not have the same clinical hours in their training as EU training does, but now I am seeing that accelerated BSN's are not accepted? This seems bizarre, as the accelerated BSN program I was looking at actually has MORE clinical hours required of their students than the traditional BSN, clocking in at 728 clinical hours in one 12-month cycle. I am now more confused than ever about what to do if I hope to one day work as a travel nurse in the UK and still fulfill my dream of working in the healthcare field.
My options are these:
-Take 3 years (1 year prereqs, 2 years program) to get my RN, then work as an RN while I take online courses through the public university/hospital system here to acquire my BSN. Total time: 5ish years.
-Take 4 years (2 years of prereqs/wait cycle to apply, 2 years actually enrolled at 4-year institution) to get my BSN in the "traditional" method. Would require one additional year of working as an RN before I could apply. Total: 5 years.
-Take 2.5 years (1.5 years of prereqs, 1 12-month intensive cycle) to get my BSN through an accelerated program. Work as an RN for 1-1.5 years before I apply to work. Total time: 3.5-4 years. The prereqs are actually MORE rigorous to get into this program than a regular BSN. The school that offers this is highly respected and considered "the " in this state (described thus by an advisor I spoke to at another institution).
Could anyone point me in the right direction, or at least tell me where else I might look that would clarify this? I am sorry for such a lengthy post but I just want to make sure I get set on the right course now, and don't wind up closing a door before I even realize what I've done.
thanks very much for reading all that! xo
Sep 8, '12I would call up the NMC and ask to speak to a decision officer (first line phone people are not much help as they are reading off a piece of paper)...from what others have posted, no, you can't do an accelerated degree. Why? Who knows? After all, we have to take the IELTS even though we grew up speaking the English language. Every country has its own idiosyncrasies...it's already a stretch for the NMC to allow US nurses to get a license because we all have less than half of the clinical hours that the UK nurses have (the difference being that they generally don't need much orientation, according to my professor at my overseas nursing class whereas US new grads usually get at least 8-12 weeks).
Sep 8, '12Thanks, babyRN! I will do that later this week, then. I am now also wondering if the RN followed by bridge classes to BSN would be insufficient as well. Better to know now than have my heart broken down the line, I guess.
Sep 17, '12Hello everyone.
I had a quick question about this thread. Everyone is focusing on the clinical hours from school. Does this include if you are already practicing as a RN in the states? Seems silly that you are an experienced nurse longer than the length of your schooling but you still need a certain # of clinical hours. Is everyone here speaking of going right from school to the UK or do all of you have experience in the US?
Sep 17, '12liser-I am almost certain that you have to have post registration experience to apply for a PIN. I had 12 years experience post BSN and 8 years post MSN and still had to stress about my approval.BabyRN- I disagree with he statement that uk new grads need little orientation. All of the new grads (past 2 year years of graduating) that are in my A&E have pretty long orientations. They don't learn to do venipuncture or canulas, they don't do urinary catheters. (these are 3 nearby universities). So all of this is taught post registration.Kelley
Sep 17, '12Liser, the NMC doesn't care if you have 40 years of experience. It only counts with your schooling. Sound arcane? Sure, but it is their rules and we as non-UK citizens can't really fight them. The UK is allowed to register nurses as they see fit...I imagine they might change in 20 years when the baby boomers retire, but we'll see...
Nole, I was just trying to compliment UK nurses and it's what I've been told. You would know better, obviously.
Sep 17, '12Would just like to say that the same goes from UK to US it all goes on transcripts and not experience.Plus going to the UK apart from Overseas Nursing program you do not have to sit another exam but nurses not from the US have to sit NCLEX to be able to work in the US as a RN even if well experienced and have a license in the country they are living and workingLast edit by Silverdragon102 on Sep 17, '12 : Reason: add
Sep 27, '12This is all very helpful information, as I'm applying to the NMC, as well. I just received my paperwork from the University where I received my Bachelor's of Nursing, and the hours they calculated as far short of what the NMC states in their informational sheet. My school only gave me 465 theory hours, and 1005 clinical. The NMC states in their brochure they require far more. Has any one had this discrepancy and finished the process? Did anyone have to work additional hours under observation to make up for these hours? or does the NMC somehow acknowledge the degree equivalency without further requirements besides the overseas nursing program?
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Sep 29, '12this was my experience as an American BSN. You need at least 1500 hours total, at least half are clinical and at least 1/3 are theory. You might be able to add some theory hours with required pre-req's for nursing; I would ask Continental Travel for advice as they are very helpful.
Sep 29, '12thanks for the advice, babyRN. I'm probably worrying too much. I can't imagine nursingin the UK are that different from the US.
Are you working in the UK now? If so, how's the job market for nursing?