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I was eligible to sit for the nclex for California.

Wow.. so I took my exam this September, went the distance all 265 questions. Unfortunately I didn't pass. Got my results and "near passing standard" all across the board so the news of failure basically tore me apart.

Now what makes it worse is after submitting the reapplication form and waiting for four weeks for a reply from the board, I get a letter today stating

:::: The Board has determined that the program you completed in the Philippines is not equivalent to the minimum requirements for licensure set forth in California Code Section 1426(d).

You may be able to view Section 1426 (d) and all other codes of the California Code of Regulations by going to our website at: www.rn.ca.gov. Once in the website there will be 'Tabs' at the top of the screen. Go to Regulations then to Nursing Practice Act and finally to California Code of Regulations.

California Code of Regulations Section 1426(d) states that theory and clinical practice shall be concurrent. The documents received state that some of the training was completed several semesters after the theory classes. ::::::

I email the evaluator in charge of my application and she explains ::::

You have options and that is to apply to the LVN Board or in another RN Board in a different state or go for your master's degree in nursing but in California you are not qualified as a RN without the Master's degree.

According to the RLE and the school's curriculum you should have completed the scrubs in NCM 101 and 102 but they were completed in NCM 104, 105 and 103. I am enclosing a copy of the letter that was sent to you yesterday.

I'm angry and sad at the same time. How is it possible that I was eligible to take the nclex the first time I applied and not eligible to retake now? I went from meeting the requirements of an RN to now meeting the requirements of an LVN. How is this possible?

They are saying I'm ineligible based on the dates of completion of my cases. The school requires 5 major, 5 minor, 5 assisted delivery, 5 actual delivery, and 5 cord dressing clinical cases which I completed or else I wouldn't have been able to graduate. All of a sudden Ca board is being technical about the completion dates of these cases. The school is well aware of the fact that completion of these cases is impossible to be concurrent with the theoretical classes. It is not always guaranteed that students will complete the needed cases in concurrent with the theoretical because there are times when there aren't any patients in the hospitals that we are rotated in. It is for this reason that the school allows completion of the needed cases through out the following semesters. We took the theoretical classes before we were allowed to go on our clinicals but the lack of patients made it difficult to complete those 5 cases during that semester. That's why some of my cases were completed one or two semesters after the theory classes.

Am I understanding this correctly? I thought all that matters was that my cases were complete regardless if it was completed in concurrent/along with theoretical or after theoretical. I learned what I was suppose to learn it just so happen that exposure to the actual thing came a semester later.

So now they are saying I can't sit for the nclex in California and I need to complete a masters degree to be qualified as an Rn in California. Is this possible? I went to school graduated with a BSN and in the end I'm told that I only qualify to be a LVN after submitting a reapplication for nclex. .

Clarification would be nice and I would appreciate any advice. This just makes me question if nursing is even the right fit for me cause it's been obstacles after obstacles.

It's really hard after all the processing and waste of money.. Time of waiting..it's really a dead end in California BRN..I thought ca Brn is the easiest and cheapest..

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Recalling Filipino graduates from 2004 does not make any sense. CaBON have revised the curriculum and was in effect on 2010. If they use that as an excuse, then they will have to recall ALL the nurses that graduated and was licensed from 2004-2010 because ALL (including California graduates) were not following board academic regulations.

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the 2004 - 2010 recall is beyond ridiculous! is that even information or gossip?

1. they clearly already lack evaluators! to re-evaluate 2004 -2010 graduates will require so much time & manpower!

2. what significantly happened in 2004 - 2010 to cause a recall? because as far as i can remember there was hiring hype of nurses 2004-2005 and they did not have problems then.

3. these nurses have experience already (except 2010's one of course) they know patient code of conduct and rights probably maybe in their sleep even. it's what their thinking, breathing, doing for these past years. isn't that the primary reason of nclex?

4. some of these nurses hold managerial positions, some are organization leaders even! what will happen to their subordinates once their leaders' licenses are revoked? that they were lead by a substandard nurse? well... there goes your team morale.

5. and more importantly, how will the public make of this? that the board approved nurses once, worked so many years and then one day decided to take their licenses away? that nurses were oh, not fit to practice safely for the public? that the populace has been under the hands of sub-par nurses for so many years? come on! that's a lawsuit waiting to happen!

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hello jpinay28, do you have any current news about this concurrency issue? have you heard of anyone getting their att already? thanks.

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@ nihaojailan yeah i agree with u.. i dnt think its true about recalling those people who graduated 2004 onwards.. there's no way for them to take our liscense away it would never happen, im pretty sure for that.. its a long long way for them to do that too much burden and work for them..

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the 2004 - 2010 recall is beyond ridiculous! is that even information or gossip? 1. they clearly already lack evaluators! to re-evaluate 2004 -2010 graduates will require so much time & manpower!2. what significantly happened in 2004 - 2010 to cause a recall? because as far as i can remember there was hiring hype of nurses 2004-2005 and they did not have problems then. 3. these nurses have experience already (except 2010's one of course) they know patient code of conduct and rights probably maybe in their sleep even. it's what their thinking, breathing, doing for these past years. isn't that the primary reason of nclex?4. some of these nurses hold managerial positions, some are organization leaders even! what will happen to their subordinates once their leaders' licenses are revoked? that they were lead by a substandard nurse? well... there goes your team morale.5. and more importantly, how will the public make of this? that the board approved nurses once, worked so many years and then one day decided to take their licenses away? that nurses were oh, not fit to practice safely for the public? that the populace has been under the hands of sub-par nurses for so many years? come on! that's a lawsuit waiting to happen!
very well said for this concurrency thing.
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To nursewholikesnursingCan you give me your e mail add coz i want more info about the classes at sfsu....i also received a letter about med surg deficiency... Lives at the bay area so i would like to inquire about it too....please!

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the 2004 - 2010 recall is beyond ridiculous! is that even information or gossip?

1. they clearly already lack evaluators! to re-evaluate 2004 -2010 graduates will require so much time & manpower!

2. what significantly happened in 2004 - 2010 to cause a recall? because as far as i can remember there was hiring hype of nurses 2004-2005 and they did not have problems then.

3. these nurses have experience already (except 2010's one of course) they know patient code of conduct and rights probably maybe in their sleep even. it's what their thinking, breathing, doing for these past years. isn't that the primary reason of nclex?

4. some of these nurses hold managerial positions, some are organization leaders even! what will happen to their subordinates once their leaders' licenses are revoked? that they were lead by a substandard nurse? well... there goes your team morale.

5. and more importantly, how will the public make of this? that the board approved nurses once, worked so many years and then one day decided to take their licenses away? that nurses were oh, not fit to practice safely for the public? that the populace has been under the hands of sub-par nurses for so many years? com e on! that's a lawsuit waiting to happen!

what they (other ph co-workers) have been hearing is that yes, the ca bon can enforce their rules. what will probably happen is what is already happening in either vt or va, where by nurses with decades of experience but without a bsn degree must complete their bsn degree within a 3-4 year period or they will be terminated. here tho', it's because the older nurses only have the diploma degree, lvn type degree or aa degree or a degree that's not a true bsn degree and they too have very high positions from managment to educators.

in most states, we have what's known as a "at-will employment"....from a lawyer's website... like many other states, california is an at-will state for most jobs, unless specified otherwise in a specific employment contract. at-will has also been called a ‘right to fire’ and a ‘right to hire’ state. this means that for most employees, you can be fired for many reasons, including your employer just not liking you. many times, an employee will want to bring a wrongful termination suit against their employer, only to find out that your employer may have been morally wrong in firing you, but they have done nothing legally wrong.

ca bon has already set the precedent with denying any excelsior college from regaining their rn license back.

i'm sure the lawsuits will be filed, but it's already been a proven case since 2006, which backdates to 2003. so in most cases, if one signed the at-will agreement, you have to comply with it and most likely, spend all that money, spend years in the court and still end in the same place of being let go. yes, it's a different type case but they can use that argument to enforce this new possible situation. if you have not yet read the actual filing of the courts ruling, i posted it on another thread somewhere.

but they will be an option: i think what will happen is that the ca bon will simply either not renew their licenses or they will renew their license under a "conditional rule" but they too have to 3-4 years to complete the proper courses as spelled out in the 2003 rules and regulations or be asked to quit voluntarily or be forced out. should they drop out of the class courses or college, then the conditional rule would invalidate their license and they would have to stop practicing, since they are no longer a nurse and it's a hugh liability for the hospital and their insurance companies. it's like having a medical doctor having his/her medical licenses taken away.

remember that to become a ca rn, it's a privilege, not a right. a privilege that came be revoked or suspended, just like a driver's license.

yes, i agree with the morale issues etc, but the reality is that there's always someone else waiting to get promoted, be it a bad person or a very good person, life goes on.

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Hi elvinze.. Im from UPHS Binan. Can I have your email. I need to ask something from about this issue.. Here's my email add if you don't mind. [email protected] Thanks!

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Hi elvinze.. Im from UPHS Binan. Can I have your email. I need to ask something from about this issue.. Here's my email add if you don't mind. [email protected] Thanks!

Hi iibernardii, sure! Nice to know that i'm not alone as perpetualites jonelta. Here's mine [email protected]. What year did you graduated? Did you applied for RN licensure? It seems like we don't really have a choice. It's so freakin' frustating. I already talked to the evaluator before and even the board passers from 2004 to present need to comply with the boards new policy if not the BON will not renew their license. Crazy but true.

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Hi elvinze.. I graduated 2006. Yes, I did re-apply 4th week of january 2012, and got the letter 2 weeks later. And just like the others, they want me to give them a copy of Clinical Cases. Same story.. But I'm not giving them a copy yet. Instead I will send them a letter to reevaluate/re-check my application. Asking them that maybe they overlooked at my application knowing that I am not a New Graduate, I have a working experience and I have SS#. Just taking a shot maybe they would give me another chance! Let's see what happens..

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@ Sallyp911, are there more tangible information regarding the issue? What are your PH workers actually saying? Because almost PH graduates are BSN degrees, and very rarely are there LVN type diplomas from the Philippines. It's totally acceptable if they enforce new rules or reinforce stricter rules on their licensing as they move forward to the year, but these nurses who were already licensed from 2004 - 2010, should they be punished? after all, they provided care when the state was in dire need of.

I also understand what you mean by the privilege and right angle, but since these nurses have already worked and cared for California's constituents for so long, aren't they entitled for a due process at least? instead of just taking away their licenses in a snap?

Has anybody in your PH-Coworkers experience renewing difficulties?

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