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I was eligible to sit for the nclex for California.

Wow.. so I took my exam this September, went the distance all 265 questions. Unfortunately I didn't pass. Got my results and "near passing standard" all across the board so the news of failure basically tore me apart.

Now what makes it worse is after submitting the reapplication form and waiting for four weeks for a reply from the board, I get a letter today stating

:::: The Board has determined that the program you completed in the Philippines is not equivalent to the minimum requirements for licensure set forth in California Code Section 1426(d).

You may be able to view Section 1426 (d) and all other codes of the California Code of Regulations by going to our website at: www.rn.ca.gov. Once in the website there will be 'Tabs' at the top of the screen. Go to Regulations then to Nursing Practice Act and finally to California Code of Regulations.

California Code of Regulations Section 1426(d) states that theory and clinical practice shall be concurrent. The documents received state that some of the training was completed several semesters after the theory classes. ::::::

I email the evaluator in charge of my application and she explains ::::

You have options and that is to apply to the LVN Board or in another RN Board in a different state or go for your master's degree in nursing but in California you are not qualified as a RN without the Master's degree.

According to the RLE and the school's curriculum you should have completed the scrubs in NCM 101 and 102 but they were completed in NCM 104, 105 and 103. I am enclosing a copy of the letter that was sent to you yesterday.

I'm angry and sad at the same time. How is it possible that I was eligible to take the nclex the first time I applied and not eligible to retake now? I went from meeting the requirements of an RN to now meeting the requirements of an LVN. How is this possible?

They are saying I'm ineligible based on the dates of completion of my cases. The school requires 5 major, 5 minor, 5 assisted delivery, 5 actual delivery, and 5 cord dressing clinical cases which I completed or else I wouldn't have been able to graduate. All of a sudden Ca board is being technical about the completion dates of these cases. The school is well aware of the fact that completion of these cases is impossible to be concurrent with the theoretical classes. It is not always guaranteed that students will complete the needed cases in concurrent with the theoretical because there are times when there aren't any patients in the hospitals that we are rotated in. It is for this reason that the school allows completion of the needed cases through out the following semesters. We took the theoretical classes before we were allowed to go on our clinicals but the lack of patients made it difficult to complete those 5 cases during that semester. That's why some of my cases were completed one or two semesters after the theory classes.

Am I understanding this correctly? I thought all that matters was that my cases were complete regardless if it was completed in concurrent/along with theoretical or after theoretical. I learned what I was suppose to learn it just so happen that exposure to the actual thing came a semester later.

So now they are saying I can't sit for the nclex in California and I need to complete a masters degree to be qualified as an Rn in California. Is this possible? I went to school graduated with a BSN and in the end I'm told that I only qualify to be a LVN after submitting a reapplication for nclex. .

Clarification would be nice and I would appreciate any advice. This just makes me question if nursing is even the right fit for me cause it's been obstacles after obstacles.

If your basic nursing education meets Californias requirement then you should be eligible. What they are evaluating should only help you not hurt you. It doesn't make sense to evaluate your education beyond the basic minimum requirements and count it against you. They should consider it an extra and deem you eligible. Unless it is something beyond where they found discrepancies and therefore evaluating the whole education and if found any part of the nursing education isn't concurrent with theory. Either way it shouldn't matter if clinicals aren't concurrent with theory as long as they were completed. At least that's my opinion.

Yeah, I too am confused. It would almost seem that they would be better off to not even mention these extra cases. I sure didn't need all that when i went to school. hospital based school, too.

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@ gingers mom...same in PHL.schools too we also have qualified instructors,long yrs.of clinical exp.nd masters degree.. not only in the US..and its not only international grad.failed nclex d first time,there are also US grad.who failed nclex many times..d only prob.with international nurses is that we are required to pass additional reqs.and i think thats the topic here..

and it doesnt mean if u get ur education in a cheaper price ull fail nclex..

Very well said proudpinay....i am an RN from the Philippines, i took NCLEX first time recently and passed it...

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I agree with you. The only thing the BON is declining all the ATT applications right now is all because of theoretical and clinical issues, even though they were completed. And it sucks! They should have at least consider the clinical experiences even though its not concurrent with the theoretical. What important I think is that the applicant have the knowledge and experiences they needed for the field.

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Hi. If your theoretical and clinical is not concurrent too they will probably do the same thing with you.

In my own opinion I think its better to move to another state to get a license for the meantime. That's what i did while I'm waiting for the CABON decision. I know it will take me a while for CGFNS credential verification for my application to other state but at least I know something good will be happening. And if the BON decided to accept all the hanging applicants maybe I can apply again some other time after having a license and hospital experience from other state. Just wanted to live in CA.

Just an idea. :idea: :idea: :idea:

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Hi. If your theoretical and clinical is not concurrent too they will probably do the same thing with you.

In my own opinion I think its better to move to another state to get a license for the meantime. That's what i did while I'm waiting for the CABON decision. I know it will take me a while for CGFNS credential verification for my application to other state but at least I know something good will be happening. And if the BON decided to accept all the hanging applicants maybe I can apply again some other time after having a license and hospital experience from other state. Just wanted to live in CA.

Just an idea. :idea: :idea: :idea:

to what different state board of nursing did you apply this time?i'm planning to do the same thing.

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i also received the same response recently from the ca nursing board. i arrived in usa about a year ago and have applied for the rn licensing exam.

i have been waiting to hear regarding my examination for some time. i applied june last year and immediately i received so many requests for information from my school. i provided everything but did not hear anything until i called the nursing board in sacramento and spoke with a licensing analyst, who told me that my application was denied and that she will send me a copy of the denial via email.

i received a copy of denial of my application via email on december 2011 after my phone call and it indicated that my application was denied due to the following reason:

"the board of registered nursing has completed an evaluation of your application. based on the documents that were submitted, it has been determined that the program you completed in the philippines does not meet the requirements for licensure as a registered nurse in california.

california code of regulations section 1426(d) states that theory and clinical practice shall be concurrent and based on the information submitted, this requirement was not met. when we reviewed the clinical cases your scrubs were not taken concurrently with theory instruction and the did not follow the related learning summary from school. your theory and scrubs should have been completed in ncm 201 and 202 but were done in ncm 203, 204 and some in 205.

b & p code section 2736 outlines the general qualifications for applicants who apply to the board for licensure and who have received their training from a school in another country.

the courses of instruction from a school of nursing in another country, in the opinion of the board must meet or be equivalent to the courses of instruction in nursing from a california school."

the licensing analyst i spoke to also told me that "filipinos are greedy" and just want to make lots of money (something to that effect).

i believe something is happening here that is more than meets our consciousness...is discrimination at work here?????

i thought the denial reason the board provided was unique to my case, but seeing your posting here made me more weary as the board appears to be collectively discriminating nurses who went to school in the philippines.

is there something we could do regarding this???????

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hi winren:

they denied your application after you sent your clinical cases? check ur RLE summary check whether your dean or school put OB or MS on each of the NCM...

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Hi. If your theoretical and clinical is not concurrent too they will probably do the same thing with you.

In my own opinion I think its better to move to another state to get a license for the meantime. That's what i did while I'm waiting for the CABON decision. I know it will take me a while for CGFNS credential verification for my application to other state but at least I know something good will be happening. And if the BON decided to accept all the hanging applicants maybe I can apply again some other time after having a license and hospital experience from other state. Just wanted to live in CA.

Just an idea. :idea: :idea: :idea:

hi! which state are you planning to apply for your NCLEX?

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@ winren sorry to hear that... i think your school can provide a letter on what happen on your situation.. i read some thread that analyst ask for an explanation from the school.. im so worried now.. pls update me about your case and thanks for sharing your story..

Guys pls update us on your situation.. lets help each other! thanks!

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@ winren sorry to hear that... i think your school can provide a letter on what happen on your situation.. i read some thread that analyst ask for an explanation from the school.. im so worried now.. pls update me about your case and thanks for sharing your story..

Guys pls update us on your situation.. lets help each other by sharing information.. thanks!! hope one day i will read a post that saying " i got an ATT!"

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i also received the same response recently from the ca nursing board. i arrived in usa about a year ago and have applied for the rn licensing exam.

i have been waiting to hear regarding my examination for some time. i applied june last year and immediately i received so many requests for information from my school. i provided everything but did not hear anything until i called the nursing board in sacramento and spoke with a licensing analyst, who told me that my application was denied and that she will send me a copy of the denial via email.

i received a copy of denial of my application via email on december 2011 after my phone call and it indicated that my application was denied due to the following reason:

"the board of registered nursing has completed an evaluation of your application. based on the documents that were submitted, it has been determined that the program you completed in the philippines does not meet the requirements for licensure as a registered nurse in california.

california code of regulations section 1426(d) states that theory and clinical practice shall be concurrent and based on the information submitted, this requirement was not met. when we reviewed the clinical cases your scrubs were not taken concurrently with theory instruction and the did not follow the related learning summary from school. your theory and scrubs should have been completed in ncm 201 and 202 but were done in ncm 203, 204 and some in 205.

b & p code section 2736 outlines the general qualifications for applicants who apply to the board for licensure and who have received their training from a school in another country.

the courses of instruction from a school of nursing in another country, in the opinion of the board must meet or be equivalent to the courses of instruction in nursing from a california school."

the licensing analyst i spoke to also told me that "filipinos are greedy" and just want to make lots of money (something to that effect).

i believe something is happening here that is more than meets our consciousness...is discrimination at work here?????

i thought the denial reason the board provided was unique to my case, but seeing your posting here made me more weary as the board appears to be collectively discriminating nurses who went to school in the philippines.

is there something we could do regarding this???????

if the b & p code section 2736 is their basis of denying our application, i wonder why other applicants from the philippines who went through the same curriculum like ours were made eligible.

winren, can i have your email add? i cannot send pm just yet.

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