NP making six figures? - page 5

Hey all, The general salary figure I hear for NPs disappoints me as I'm sure it disappoints the NPs!! I mean an NP providing primary care which includes prescribing medication, diagnosing... Read More

  1. by   salvati08
    Originally posted by homeylu2004
    RN's only need a minimum of an ASN, NP's need an MSN, You do the tuition math. I'm only speaking to those that feel becoming a NP will "guarantee" them a higher salary, if you're still doing work as a staff nurse, your NP title won't guarantee you anything but more student loans to repay. (Again that's only in certain areas)... while RN's are in high demand, there is NOT necessarrily a high demand for mid level practioner's. For example, try monster.com, select all states...... type in nuser- over 5,000 jobs across the country. Then type in nurse practioner- 18 jobs across the country.... doesnt take a brain suregeon to see there is not a high demand for that title.

    Really NP's DO make more than RN's. Look on salary.com and in any state the average RN makes about 40,000, where a NP make about 70,000. So there is a difference. All I wanted to know was if there was a difference in the salaries BETWEEN NP's. In my area there are ALWAYS NP jobs that I see. And I will be a RN first and I was definetly planning on getting my bach anyway, so really it''s only two more years tuition. I will maybe have a 20,000 student loan to pay off when I graduate and I think that's worth it when you start out making 20 - 30 K more. And as far as them not being in high demand in the worse case scenrio, I could work as a RN until I found a good NP job.
  2. by   homeylu2004
    Whatever make you happy. I grossed $79,000 last year as an RN,shift diffs, overtime, agency rates!!! And I have no loans to repay.
  3. by   salvati08
    Originally posted by homeylu2004
    Whatever make you happy. I grossed $79,000 last year as an RN,shift diffs, overtime, agency rates!!! And I have no loans to repay.
    yes but I will START OUT at 70K and that is not including shift diffs, overtime, etc. I never said anything negative about being a RN. My questions were not for you. And yeah most RN may have loans to repay from nursing school, you just lucked out.
  4. by   homeylu2004
    I was replying to the original post in case you forgot it's


    The general salary figure I hear for NPs disappoints me as I'm sure it disappoints the NPs!! I mean an NP providing primary care which includes prescribing medication, diagnosing medical illness, and paying substantial malpractice insurance and only getting arround $70K is disgusting

    I'm sorry if I missed your post... what was it again? oh yeah, $70,000 IS a lot of money...
    And the reason I have no student loans, is because I was being economical, and attended a 2 year community college.
  5. by   homeylu2004
    My questions were not for you

    And my replies were not directed at you personally. This is an open post correct?
  6. by   homeylu2004
    Really NP's DO make more than RN's. Look on salary.com and in any state the average RN makes about 40,000, where a NP make about 70,000.

    I never said that NP's make less than RN's, sounds ridiculous. Basically to become an NP requires a license. This only gives you the title. If you don't secure a position as a Nurse Practioner, then you're basically an RN with the title. There are 15 staff nurse working with me right now, that are licensed NP's and until they can find a position as a nurse practioner in this oversaturated market,(I'm only talking where I live in Boston, I can't speak for the rest of the country) they will continue to make the same salary as me. One young lady went into privste practice and the others complain, that everytime they respond to 1 open position, they have to compete with like 20 other applicants. Unlike RN's there is not a high demand for NP's in this area and many others in the country. I'm willing to bet for the 500 positions someone claims was posted there are 5 times as qualified applicants. In areas like Boston, there are thousands of med students, fulfilling there residency and they are taking the positions that an NP would typically fulfil. I'm in now way trying to discourage anyone from pursuing their dream,I'm simply just being realistic. From what I hear there is a high demand in rural areas, but big cities like mine, with several medical schools....forget it.
  7. by   salvati08
    Originally posted by homeylu2004
    My questions were not for you

    And my replies were not directed at you personally. This is an open post correct?

    No but they were, that's just it, I was the only student asking questions on this specific topic and you were talking about what I was asking. It just got offensive because it sounded as if you have some hostility towards NP's, like you were trying to prove it is stupid to be a NP because the only thing that differentiates a RN from a NP is a huge student loan and a certificate. It was offensive. No one ever was saying anything against being a RN or saying it's any less than being a NP. In my area, St.Louis, they are not saturated. And from what I have been told my a few I know there is a difference. But you may have your opinion..........I'm finished with this.
  8. by   piper_for_hire
    I think one thing to note is that in any profession, you often have to move around more when you specialize. By the same token, you have to go where the jobs are. I know, it sounds kind of obvious, but we don't always think about the economics of things when we follow our dreams. I know that I don't.

    -S
  9. by   ruby360
    This is why I'm so depressed. I feel like I wasted so much money and time going to school. I decided in 1995 to become a Midwife or an FNP. So, I changed my major to nursing, took the two years worth of mandatory prerequisites, and competed with over 200 other applicants for one of the 40 spots in the BSN program at my school. I got into the three-year program and graduated in 2000, planning to get a year or two of experience before going on to graduate school. Those first two years were rather rough but I always thought it was because I was new grad and after the first year I started working as a traveler so I thought it was that. However, I was still excited and challenged by nursing. Only now, do I realize that the truth is I absolutely hate being an RN. It is grueling and I am completely bored with it. Now, I am half way through my masters and I have been in the same RN position for a little over a year. I'm only working 24 hours a week but this is difficult when going to grad school full time. I got my BSN in the first place to become a CNM or NP that's been my goal for almost 10 years now. However, I look back now and feel like a wasted the best years of my life and feel very sad. I am only a year and a half from reaching my goal now but I feel like there is so much over saturation that I will never get a job as an NP. After I graduate there is no way I can continue to work as an RN but if I can't get a job as an NP then I have no option other than leaving the profession altogether. However, because I chose this route, between undergrad and graduate school I am more than $100,000 in debt and I am not qualified to do anything else. Nevertheless, I really don't feel I can continue as an RN much longer. I dread going to work, constantly fight back tears when I'm there, and cry every day when I get home. I just always thought that getting an education and finding a career that I loved would make my life better. Instead, I feel hopeless and trapped and I see a very bleak future in which my husband and I will never be able to afford a house or have children. I love the NP role at least what I know of it from my classes and clinical but, I am also worried that even if I do get a job the pay will be so low, the malpractice insurance so high, and the added responsibility so intense that it is hardly worth it. I just want to quit my job and school both but that will leave me still over 100K in debt and probably evicted from my apartment. I just don't know what to do anymore. I am so sad.
  10. by   zenman
    Slap therapy: Do what you love damn it!
  11. by   FNP grrl
    ruby-
    sheesh! you sound stretched way too thin, girl!

    what type of RN jobs have you had that you hate so much? nursing is so diverse--i hated med-surg & would have quit nursing if that's where i had to work (no offense MS nurses- just my hang-up)- but i fell in love w/ the ED--it just felt like i belonged there. maybe you haven't yet found the right RN niche for youself. you mentioned boredom- well, i can say a lot of things about the ER but i could NEVER call it boring.

    i wonder how serious your depression is. if it's not being treated, do you think you might need to consider looking at that? serious depression will put a hugely negative spin on EVERYTHING in your life. it sounds like one negative thought is triggering another & another- when that is happening, it is so hard to step back & get a realistic perspective. i am not saying you shouldn't come here & vent- i think it's good that you are venting actually. but i am kinda worried about you. you sound TOO stressed out.

    what kind of setting do you see yourself working in as an NP? do you have an idea of your 'dream job'? if you really want to do this, you can probably get your dream job- including the pay you want & need- if you are willing to relocate. what is more important to you? you'll have to prioritize.

    the other thing is that NPs do sometimes get jobs by networking. that's how i got mine- networking and pursuing what i wanted very assertively. no, it's really not like opening the classifieds & seeing dozens of RN jobs...sometimes you have to sell yourself as an NP.

    i am concerned about your deep antipathy toward nursing, though- because often RN jobs can be a link to NP jobs down the road. if you hate & are so bored by being a nurse, i am wondering if you are missing opportunities to make job connections for later on. you just never know who you'll run into/work with/learn from as an RN. those encounters can turn into NP job leads, believe me. does your current job as an RN relate in any way to the NP setting you are interested in? i think that helps too.

    anyhow, good luck. and maybe get your husband to give you a massage, ok?
  12. by   smk1
    for ruby if actual hands on nursing is not for you anymore maybe you could be a teacher? there is a serious shotage of nursing instructors and if you are working towards an msn already maybe this is something for you to think about. also maybe school nursing or workers comp claims try to get creative with your degree/education and skills. please also make time to talk to your md or np about your feelings. crying before, after and at work while also being stressed about school and the future sounds like a recipe for disaster. maybe there is something they can do to help. good luck:kiss
  13. by   homeylu2004
    I agree, there is a serious shortage of nursing instructors and this will put your msn to use. Don't give up if you've already started, your debt is not going to disappear. You should also consider the military reserve- you'll become an officer with no basic training required, and for just one weekend a month, I hear that they are repaying student loans up to $50,000 for just 3 years commitment. As others have said, you HAVE to be willing to relocate to a market that is not so saturated, don't give up on the profession altogether, your skills are in demand. When I first started nursing, I hated it to, I was always verbally abused by the doctors and dumped on by administrators for being the new kid on the block. I felt that I was blamed for everything that went wrong. So I left the hospital, I worked in, NOT the profession. I love my job now. So there is hope..don't throw in the towel yet.

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