Now I get why experience means everything yet nothing

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Now I finally get why nursing experience can prove invaluable in NP school, yet actually means nothing. It appears that nursing experience gives a valuable base from which to relate but does absolutely nothing for helping one think through a disease process as a provider. I may be simply stating the obvious, but I am amazed at how different the two roles are. I am be no means an old pro, but some conditions I can take care of in my sleep - as a nurse. As a potential provider though, even a simple cold is not so simple. It is amazing how a myriad of disease processes and conditions can present with mostly the same symptoms, only differentiated by some seemingly obscure item in their history. I can see how some are making a mistake in pursuing a NP degree though. Listening to them, what they really want is to further their bedside nursing career. A degree as a NP CHANGES your career, not furthers it. The confusion manifests itself in the struggle to move away from the bedside nursing thinking process, to that of a provider. We all have that struggle, but some seem to not realize that their struggle is not with the material, but the role itself. All that being said, I love NP school. I can see one why, generally, a couple of year's experience nursing is good but also why decades of experience is not necessary. It truly does come down to the individual.

ZING!!!!

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Well, I knew that deans were not over departments. They are usually department heads, program directors, etc. The point is that it's not ESSENTIAL to have any nursing experience but don't tell me it's not BENEFICIAL and will put you ahead of the game and help prevent that "deer in the headlight look" when you first start working. If you tell me you're not learning anything beneficial to being an NP during your nursing experience, then you're incapable of learning and will waste your time in NP school. That's my opinion borne out by my experience. And don't pull the "ignorance card" on me as I have a "get out of ignorance card." And above all, have fun debating!

zen, there can be little doubt that you are a smart person. I respect you.

So did I get the semantics wrong. Yes I did. By dean, I simply meant the person in charge of the FNP program. So please insert the job title that is correct. Program director? So be it.

So lets look at would Robbie said. Some students take a break between getting their BSN and then continuing on. Most do this strictly for the purpose of earning money. When I was at Columbia in 2010 the tuition at that time was 1800.00 per credit hour.

Further looking at her post she says that this is absolutely not wasted experience. Agreed. How can any experience be wasted? However, she also implies that said experience certainly is not required.

We can go back and forth and split hairs until the cows come come. People all have their opinions and most likely those opinions are not changeable......

Anyway, I have a lot of studying to do. I hope that we all achieve or goals and our dreams. I further hope that the end result will be that the underserved people here in the USA gain access to excellent, compassionate healthcare.

Peace

You failed to mention how many NP's don't actually spend a day working as a floor nurse before qualified (at least on paper) to practice.

I disagree. I am an NP and there was no one in any of my classes without bedside experience. That being said, why not? MDs go straight from med school and we have MDs in their 20s. Why do nurses try to hold back other nurses? It is the nature of our profession I suppose that needs to change.

You failed to mention how many NP's don't actually spend a day working as a floor nurse before qualified (at least on paper) to practice.

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You should stay at the bedside if that is where your passion is. We so need excellence at the bedside. The old definition of a "good nurse" is changing and is moving toward a nurse who understands patho and pharm. This is where it always should have been. It is gaining more respect for nursing (finally!)

Don't agree that NP is dying. NPs are change agents a being the tip of the speear is never easy. with all the changes in health care and the changes which are no doubt to come, I think the role of the NP will be solid.Tthat said, it may not be in my lifetime : (. Also because of nursing's relationship with medicine the salaries for NPs may lower to that of RNs (most have already and many are even lower!) that means what for the salaries of RNs? Proboibly will dramatically trend down.

You failed to mention how many NP's don't actually spend a day working as a floor nurse before qualified (at least on paper) to practice.

I disagree. I am an NP and there was no one in any of my classes without bedside experience. That being said, why not? MDs go straight from med school and we have MDs in their 20s. Why do nurses try to hold back other nurses? It is the nature of our profession I suppose that needs to change.

There is certainly a lot of need for change in nursing but you really can't compare physician training with years of clinical with a BSN nurse going straight into NP school and coming out with 700 hrs of clinical. I personally would like to see 2,000 hours of clinical for NPs unless you're a nut like me with 70,000 hrs of experience, lol!

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I would love to see mandatory residencies for NPs. However, we have a hard enough time finding clinical sites and preceptors for students, let alone sites that will pay you something while you do a residency.

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I think RN's are simply seeing the handwriting on the wall.

So true!!

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There is certainly a lot of need for change in nursing but you really can't compare physician training with years of clinical with a BSN nurse going straight into NP school and coming out with 700 hrs of clinical. I personally would like to see 2,000 hours of clinical for NPs .........

^^^ This.

I agree with an increase requirement in NP program clinical hours. But you can add to this STANDARDIZED clinical rotations. Not this, "find your own preceptor."

Geez, looking back I am so grateful of the preceptors I had. However, I'm sociable and have made many acquaintances and have an easy time networking. The people who had a tough time with securing a clinical preceptor in my class were usually, hmmm....how do I say this in a PC way........ ............, "less than sociable." They could be the smartest student in the class but they just didn't have the ability to network with others.

The lack of uniformity in clinicals is why so many NP's feel so overwhelmed and underprepared when they graduate. Too many of us were settling for whatever we could get just so we could meet the clinical hours required for graduation.

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Mandatory np residencies--yes but who pays for them. When I worked inpatient psych there were two full time attendings and two residents at all times (on day shift).. For 16 patients. There was tons of on unit teaching..Teaching hospitals are expensive--would they add np residents??

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