Now I get why experience means everything yet nothing - page 10

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Now I finally get why nursing experience can prove invaluable in NP school, yet actually means nothing. It appears that nursing experience gives a valuable base from which to relate but does absolutely nothing for helping one... Read More


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    Quote from bsnanat2
    I do not believe that attaining a NP degree should be easy or convenient and too many schools are making it so.
    this. this this this this this. whenever I read about how someone is looking for a MSN/DNP program where they can get the degree in their spare time while they're working full time, I seriously cringe.
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    Quote from mindlor
    Lots of ignorance flying around.......lots of jealousy.....

    Someone please tell me whhat slinging zpack at walgreens has to do with bedside nursing?

    Let me tell you. Diddly squat.

    I had a lengthy conversation with the dean of the FNP program at Columbia University. Her opinion is that every day working at the bedside is time and money lost......

    Just sayin

    Randall, we don't have a dean of the FNP program so I'm not sure whose opinion this was. However, we encourage our students to move quickly from the BSN to education for advanced practice roles if that is their educational priority. Some do take a year or two off to practice and we don't consider that wasted time but do want them to get back into their program as soon as possible.

    Sent from my iPhone
    Bobbie Berkowitz, PhD, RN, FAAN
    Dean and Professor
    Columbia University School of
    Nursing
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    Quote from zenman
    Randall, we don't have a dean of the FNP program so I'm not sure whose opinion this was. However, we encourage our students to move quickly from the BSN to education for advanced practice roles if that is their educational priority. Some do take a year or two off to practice and we don't consider that wasted time but do want them to get back into their program as soon as possible.

    Sent from my iPhone
    Bobbie Berkowitz, PhD, RN, FAAN
    Dean and Professor
    Columbia University School of
    Nursing
    ZING!!!!

    LOL
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    Come on guys, at try and be accurate. Look at the difference in what he says PAs require and what is actually true.

    I had that in my ADN, much less my BSN, Masters and DNAP.

    Additional Requirements

    Required Semester Hours & GPA
    Required Courses
    The College requires applicants to earn a grade of C (2.0) or better in each of the following required courses, which must be completed within 10 years of the application date:

    • College Math - 3 semester hours (sh.)
    • English (including 3 sh of English Composition - 6 sh)
    • Humanities/Arts - 3 sh.
    • Social Sciences - 9 sh.
    • General Chemistry (I & II) including laboratory - 8 sh.
    • Microbiology including laboratory - 4 sh.
    • General biology and lab OR Zoology including laboratory - 4 sh.
    • Human Anatomy - 3 sh.
    • Human Physiology - 3 sh.
      • Note: If taking A&P combined; must take both A&P I & II

    • Biochemistry or Organic Chemistry - 3 sh.
    • Genetics - 3 sh.


    Prerequisites - Physician Assistant

    PA Application Cycle is from June 1st - September 1st, 2011
    All prerequisites are required at the college level from an accredited school and must be completed at the time of the CASPA application:
    1. Human Anatomy with lab recommended within 5 years of application deadline
    2. Human Physiology with lab recommended within 5 years of application deadline
    3. General Chemistry with lab
    4. Microbiology or bacteriology with lab
    5. Algebra, Calculus or Statistics
    6. English Composition
    7. Two courses in Social Sciences (e.g. Psychology, Sociology or Cultural Anthropology)




    Quote from mindlor

    Many are talking about PAs here as well...here is that deal: you have to have a BS in some field. Then you need prereqs as follows, Chem I. Chem II, Physics I, Physics II, Organic Chem I, Organic Chem II, Calculus I, among others. The PA programs as they are essentially replicate the first two years of Med School. They are very very difficult and competitive to enter. Also, most of the good schools will not accept an applicant that does not have at least 2000 hours of some sort of healthcare experience.

    it is much much easier to get into NP school. This is of course based on my individual experience and research. I am sure somewhere out there are exceptions......
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    Quote from hey_suz
    The other thing that is happening is that, we seem to think it is no longer good enough to be an RN. Not important enough, or what have you, so many good nurses are becoming NP's, or going into management, leaving direct patient care.

    .

    I think RN's are simply seeing the handwriting on the wall.
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    Quote from nomadcrna
    Come on guys, at try and be accurate. Look at the difference in what he says PAs require and what is actually true.

    I had that in my ADN, much less my BSN, Masters and DNAP.

    Additional Requirements

    Required Semester Hours & GPA
    Required Courses
    The College requires applicants to earn a grade of C (2.0) or better in each of the following required courses, which must be completed within 10 years of the application date:
    • College Math - 3 semester hours (sh.)
    • English (including 3 sh of English Composition - 6 sh)
    • Humanities/Arts - 3 sh.
    • Social Sciences - 9 sh.
    • General Chemistry (I & II) including laboratory - 8 sh.
    • Microbiology including laboratory - 4 sh.
    • General biology and lab OR Zoology including laboratory - 4 sh.
    • Human Anatomy - 3 sh.
    • Human Physiology - 3 sh.
      • Note: If taking A&P combined; must take both A&P I & II
    • Biochemistry or Organic Chemistry - 3 sh.
    • Genetics - 3 sh.
    Prerequisites - Physician Assistant

    PA Application Cycle is from June 1st - September 1st, 2011
    All prerequisites are required at the college level from an accredited school and must be completed at the time of the CASPA application:
    1. Human Anatomy with lab recommended within 5 years of application deadline
    2. Human Physiology with lab recommended within 5 years of application deadline
    3. General Chemistry with lab
    4. Microbiology or bacteriology with lab
    5. Algebra, Calculus or Statistics
    6. English Composition
    7. Two courses in Social Sciences (e.g. Psychology, Sociology or Cultural Anthropology)

    Thank you for saving me the time in typing out a "correction" to the post in question.

    You oultined it better than I would have, anyway.
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    Quote from TX RN
    ZING!!!!

    LOL
    Well, I knew that deans were not over departments. They are usually department heads, program directors, etc. The point is that it's not ESSENTIAL to have any nursing experience but don't tell me it's not BENEFICIAL and will put you ahead of the game and help prevent that "deer in the headlight look" when you first start working. If you tell me you're not learning anything beneficial to being an NP during your nursing experience, then you're incapable of learning and will waste your time in NP school. That's my opinion borne out by my experience. And don't pull the "ignorance card" on me as I have a "get out of ignorance card." And above all, have fun debating!
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    zen, there can be little doubt that you are a smart person. I respect you.

    So did I get the semantics wrong. Yes I did. By dean, I simply meant the person in charge of the FNP program. So please insert the job title that is correct. Program director? So be it.

    So lets look at would Robbie said. Some students take a break between getting their BSN and then continuing on. Most do this strictly for the purpose of earning money. When I was at Columbia in 2010 the tuition at that time was 1800.00 per credit hour.

    Further looking at her post she says that this is absolutely not wasted experience. Agreed. How can any experience be wasted? However, she also implies that said experience certainly is not required.

    We can go back and forth and split hairs until the cows come come. People all have their opinions and most likely those opinions are not changeable......

    Anyway, I have a lot of studying to do. I hope that we all achieve or goals and our dreams. I further hope that the end result will be that the underserved people here in the USA gain access to excellent, compassionate healthcare.

    Peace
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    You failed to mention how many NP's don't actually spend a day working as a floor nurse before qualified (at least on paper) to practice.

    I disagree. I am an NP and there was no one in any of my classes without bedside experience. That being said, why not? MDs go straight from med school and we have MDs in their 20s. Why do nurses try to hold back other nurses? It is the nature of our profession I suppose that needs to change.
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    You failed to mention how many NP's don't actually spend a day working as a floor nurse before qualified (at least on paper) to practice.

    What is TOS?


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