protecting yourself against complaints

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I am a male nurse working on a med-surg unit . My shift is nights. I am wondering how or if it is even possible to protect yourself from complaints by female patients for "touching them inappropriately." I have had this happen twice. One was a 74 year old lady , pysch history. When I woke her up to take her 0600 meds she acted very very scared. Much more fear than out of the ordinary. Of course I apologized for startling her, gave the meds and left. A few days later the hospital was investigating a complaint she made stating I touched her inappropriately. I had floated to this floor one time only, seen this pt one time only. However her complaint was that one day I was a nurse, one day a lab person, one day dressed as a doctor and even a black man one day. One would think that this complaint might cause you to suspect that she has some issues. The hospital investigated, found no basis for the complaint. The end I thought. Approx. 3 days later I was called down to the nursing office and was left with two detectives from the local police department who questioned me for 3 hours about the incident. It seems the husband was not happy with the hospitals findings so he went to the police. Again nothing came of this.

The second complaint just recently was another lady late 60's in on an overdose. She was unhappy because the pain med ordered by her MD did not meet her criteria. I explained to her over and over that I could not give meds not ordered, or increase frequency without an MD's order. She had a hep locked IV in her hand and I had to give her an antibiotic. This was done with no problem. The next day I was assigned te same patient and before I actually saw how ever the charge nurse came to me and said that the patient did not want me to take care of her. I was not sorry about this and gladly accepted a switch in patients. However I learned that she has no complained that she did not like the way I touched her hand when flushing the hep locked IV, The charge nurse asked if I was not gentle, was I rude etc. She responded that she just did not like it. Over the weekend I got a telephone message from my nursing supervisor stating this lady had made a complaint about me. Her message was "I know you did nothing wrong, but in the light of what happened last year we need to talk." I called back she is on vacation for a week. Leaving me to worry about this.

I am so frustrated with this. The other nurses I work with when I have talked to them about this first reaction is "YOU?????" Of all people I am more careful re: touching any patient in a way to make them uncomfortable. I am much, much more careful than any of the other RNs when it comes to not exposing patients. I always ask for permission, and explain what I am doing. Every complaint has been with a older female, most with pysch issues. I have had many female patients and their families request I take care of them or their family member.

It seems that all it takes is one angry, vindicative patient to ruin your career. I have had two thoughts regarding this. One is to leave nursing entirely. The other is to make it very clear to the hospital and patients that complain that I will take legal action against the patient for slander or defamation. Really I doubt this would ever get me anything, most of these patients have no money, etc. The fact is I don't want their money, I want them to be made to be responsible for what they say.

Despite all this I really do love being a RN caring for so many fine people. I live every day at my job in fear that someone will say something. Of course you are guilty until proven innocent, and even when proven innocent a cloud of suspicion follows you.

As for suggestions we have a patient ratio at night o 1:10, with 1 or 2 CNA's for30 patients so it s not always possible to get a female nurse, CNA to join you when working with a female patient.

Specializes in Telemetry & PCU.

I wish you luck

Thank you. Pass the word amoungst your fellow male nurses. BUY !!!!! At $150.00 a year max, it is well worth every penny. And it is a tax deduction too!

Interesting!

I never have any problems! I have been an RN since 2004 and prior to that I was an LPN for 4 years.

I always explain to the patient what I was going to do! I have never received any complain!

However, should there might be a problem, I always bring a female CNA/PCT with me....and always document the result!

We have a male nurse up here in New York and he got complain regarding to "inappropriate touch." He got suspended pending for the investigation. He was clear at the end...lucky him!

Malpractice insurance will not protect you from losing your license!

So many innocent people go to jail for no reason...

Your own judgment is the best protection!

Always listen to the shift report, you might be able to "spot" the problematic patients...Patients are having history of psy. Patients always complaint and they are always demanding. This is a red flag!

Malpractice insurance will not protect you from losing your license!

So many innocent people go to jail for no reason...

Your own judgment is the best protection!

Always listen to the shift report, you might be able to "spot" the problematic patients...Patients are having history of psy. Patients always complaint and they are always demanding. This is a red flag!

Unfortunately, this patient never complained until the next morning, otherwise, I would have had my witness step forward immediately. And then to add butter to the problem, when I did put my witness forward to admin. all they asked him if this patient was normal or crazy. They never asked him what he saw in the room. So I was hung out to dry regardless.

The fact that she was on 4 psych meds cannot be a red flag or, as a nurse, I am failing in my duties. We must always treat all patients the same, and never distinguish between potential problematic ones or we will find ourselves in court. A chest pain is a chest pain, regardless of their history.

I have a 20 year career with never one patient complaint, med error, or anything! But now I am facing leaving Nursing and not by my choice. The "Board" is choosing it for me!

Advice for EVERYONE! ALWAYS TAKE AN ATTORNEY WITH YOU FOR ANY "INFORMATION" MEETING AT THE BOARD! They do not exist for nurses and often their tactic is to threaten you with immediate revocation if you do not sign a stipulation regardless of the truth.

rolland542

I took time to read your statement and I found out you are into a "deep" trouble/problem! I am sorry to see that! I was not responding to your comment/situation.

I think you could have resigned from that job right after you were "falsely accused.." It sounded like a trouble place anyway.

Then you hit with the "professional sexual misconduct."

I thought the DON reported to the state and I found out it was the BON!

It sounds like they got the "evidence."

Did you file the EEOC case before or after you resigned?

It sounded like the whole 9 yards is out against you! Your co-worker, patients, manager and the BON are all out...

The only thing I can say is...good luck!

I just don't know what else I can say!

Specializes in mental health; hangover remedies.

Am4182 - The situations you described are not so rare - but you seem to have been unfortunate to have had two fairly close together. I would not perhaps bang my fists as vociferously as some other posters have and demand retribution and even incarceration

- these are elderly female patients and there are plenty of 'understandable' reasons that they may have been afraid or concerned. Unfounded complaints are often more symptomatic of a sense of insecurity or unfair treatment - and often a complaint against a person can have no relevance to what the person is actually bothered by (eg a doc comes and gives information poorly to a pt - the pt asks the nurse, who wasn't even there at the time, to explain but can't so the pt finds the nurse 'rude' because the pt expects the nurse to be more attentive to their care needs - nothing gets mentioned about the poor information given by the doc that started it all!).

The two have made simple complaints against you and both have been found to lack any substance. There are clearly issues of both persons as to why they might be upset by care given by a male - or in the middle of the night - or in a particular body area.

As for the way complaints are handled - management are in double bind situation - they cannot ignore it, yet they might know it's utter rubbish. However, the purpose of investigation is not to find fault, but to also prove innocence. They have no control over who puts in what complaint and unfortunately there are a number of such complaints that are true. It would be negligent of us to simply allow anyone to dismiss a complaint out of hand based on personal belief (when you've worked with sociopaths who rely on this sort of behaviour in order to carry on undetected - you understand that things should not always be taken at face value).

I suspect your management did what it was expected to do - by investigating the complaint and finding no fault.

I would consider it their duty to provide you with protection from such complaints - but since they haven't bothered to do this - perhaps they too are thinking it was all a bit overboard. And of course this is your saving grace - as they have no had two complaints made against you which have been unsubstantiated and you have been exonerated (and there's a difference between "it didn't happen" and "it wasn't proven to have happened") - that you can use this as evidence in any further complaints - AND - if there is any doubt as to your credibility, integrity or competence; management had the chance to impose some HR practice yet has chosen not to. This is your final sanction of approval.

Rolland542 - I wish you well with your strife. I sincerely hope you recover your losses (and there's more than just the financial ones) and that those who conspired to create your situation are brought to account.

From one guy who knows what it's like to be victimised out of a job - I understand your issues. I've been sacked twice (once I failed to contest - the second time I contested and was reinstated - see below) and I've been formally investigated by the Govt Public Ethics body (twice) as well as my Nursing Board.

(They underestimate the size of my bite - after my unfair dismissal; two managers were moved to "project" work; and the (equiv) assistant administrator did not have his contract renewed at lapse - after my reinstatement.)

To the poster who referred to the two ladies in question as "nutbags" - please don't. You have no idea what they may have been through.

Rolland542 - I wish you well with your strife. I sincerely hope you recover your losses (and there's more than just the financial ones) and that those who conspired to create your situation are brought to account.

From one guy who knows what it's like to be victimised out of a job - I understand your issues. I've been sacked twice (once I failed to contest - the second time I contested and was reinstated - see below) and I've been formally investigated by the Govt Public Ethics body (twice) as well as my Nursing Board.

(They underestimate the size of my bite - after my unfair dismissal; two managers were moved to "project" work; and the (equiv) assistant administrator did not have his contract renewed at lapse - after my reinstatement.)

To the poster who referred to the two ladies in question as "nutbags" - please don't. You have no idea what they may have been through.

I thank you for your support and your story. I continue the long journey, sometimes dragging my heels with my head hanging low. Sometimes with my fists in the air, fighting to beat all....................but i continue on. I have been set for final review/hearing at the end of the month.....I hope that the patient who slandered me shows her face to testify because I plan on beating her down with my super high priced attorney.

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