Is following a doctor's order "too many" narcs?

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I'm a new grad and I'm about 2 months into orientation on a med-surg unit. Sometimes I get patients with histories of painful conditions such as cancer or sickle cell anemia, with a doctor's order for a narcotic pain medication PRN Q4H, Q6H, etc. Sometimes the patients don't report any pain so I leave it at that, but sometimes the patients report pain "always" and want their medication Q4H or Q6H around the clock. So on my shift, I reassess the pain throughout the day, ask "are you having any pain" at the Q4H mark, and if they say yes with a number rating of 4+ I ask if they feel they need the pain medication. If they say yes, I give it, but have noticed on MAR's a few times that other nurses are giving narcs less frequently. Could I get in trouble for giving too many narcs if a pattern develops? Another nurse told me not to give them unless the patient asks for it without me suggesting. But if the patient has cancer and pain is a 10, should I ask them explicitly if they want the med? Maybe they forgot what's on their MAR? Yet another nurse said the patient would "get high" with the ordered Percocet 2 tablets Q4H for pain. High? The patient's vitals are fine and he's up and walking around (now that his pain is controlled), he doesn't look "high" to me. Again, I am never giving more than the order, and this is by far not every patient with a narcotic order. Maybe the patient just happened to have pain on that particular day? I'm day shift, so it makes more sense they'd feel pain and ask for it while awake than on night shift. I just want to make sure I'm doing the right thing and walking that fine line between 'leaving patients in pain' and 'drug pusher' (either of which could get me in trouble).

Specializes in Ante-Intra-Postpartum, Post Gyne.

Everyones pain is different. I always ask what the pain level is, then ask them if they need pain meds. If they want it, and it is due, I give it. It not my place to judge if they are in pain or not; pain is subjective, not objective. If they say 2-3 and say they want pain meds, I will some times suggest Ibuprofen and tell them that after 45 mins if it has not worked we can try a narcotic (my patients always have IBU ordered post partum unless they are already on Tordol). I usually have to talk my patients into taking pain meds because they are paranoid with breastfeeding...its easier to stay ahead of the pain than to treat it

i am currently a patient trying to get my pain managed...

i had a golf ball size tumor removed from my knee, muscle flap, skin graft, and 2 snb sites in my groin and lower abdomen...

i am 11 days post op, and in a rehab facility to gain strength and safety with ambulation...

the original order was 2 vicodin every 6 hours... which pretty much faded by hour 3... so pa wrote for 1 or 2 every 3 hours. i have only been taking 1 tab every 3 hours, and of course i have to ask for it, and the past 2 days were a mess, i would ask at the 3 hour mark, it would take them 20 min to get it to me, so now i was 20 min past, and it snowballed... now, i ask 30 minutes prior to the hour, and request a pain pill at ....... o'clock

i do not want to become addicted, but i refuse to be in pain. over the past day and a half, i have been on top of it, and working on stretches, and today, i can bear weight on my foot!!!

moral of the story? listen to your patient... yes there may be some who are drug seekers, but many patients just want to not be in pain, and be able to sleep

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