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Apr 13, 2009 07:09 AM

LPN= MDS?


are lpn's able to do MDS i wanted to get involved in that but i was sure if the cost of the class and certi. were going to have any real pay of for me since i am a lpn and i know that rn's are the ones that i see in the majority of ads


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from edhcinc
Old Apr 14, 2009, 12:56 AM

Default Re: LPN= MDS?
Hi.
YES--
  • LPN's, as well as other "qualified" staff may, can, and DO complete portions of the MDS.
  • LPN's may be, can be, and ARE "certified" as competent in the RAI process.
On the "flip" side--
  • Only a registered nurse may sign at R2b--indicating that he/she "coordinated" the assessment process--per the RAI Manual.
  • In most states only a registered nurse may analyze/synthesize information, identify/clarify/combine/"diagnose" a resident problem per scope of practice regulations.
  • In most states these scope of practice regulations also require the registered nurse to formulate (with other professionals, caregivers and resident) the initial plan of care--approaches and goals.
In reality--With experience, many LPN's ARE capable and reliable facility MDS/PPS coordinators.
Facilities approach/overlook and address/ignore professional issues in many ways--some good, some bad.

Do some more reading on this listserv. Talk to persons in local facilities who are MDS/PPS coordinators--then decide.

Good luck!
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from Rexie68
Old Apr 14, 2009, 05:40 PM

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I'm an LPN and I do everything except sign R2B....including writing all of the nursing care plans. However, it's a lot of responsibility and i recommend having an RN and an LPN work together if your facility is large enough to support 2 people in the RNAC office.
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Old Apr 14, 2009, 11:13 PM

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thanks for your insight both of you!!
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from lisalake
Old Apr 15, 2009, 05:10 AM
Updated Apr 15, 2009 at 05:13 AM by lisalake

Question Re: LPN= MDS?
I find it hard to believe that no one ever questions why the R2B signature is even relevant.
  • "Coordinating" anything does not require an RN license
  • "Completion" of the document is determined by the software; do you need an RN to see if all the items are complete????
VB2 and VB4 are to be signed by an RN, as it is a well known fact that we LPNs are surely not capable of participating in assessment, critical thinking, or any kind of postive outcome for our residents. Sometimes, I wonder why they even pay me!!
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Old Apr 15, 2009, 07:15 PM

Default Re: LPN= MDS?
Originally Posted by lisalake View Post
I find it hard to believe that no one ever questions why the R2B signature is even relevant.
  • "Coordinating" anything does not require an RN license
  • "Completion" of the document is determined by the software; do you need an RN to see if all the items are complete????
VB2 and VB4 are to be signed by an RN, as it is a well known fact that we LPNs are surely not capable of participating in assessment, critical thinking, or any kind of postive outcome for our residents. Sometimes, I wonder why they even pay me!!


I agree with you 100%. I am an RN now, but was an LPN/ MDS coordinator for years. I went on to school and they never did teach me in RN school exactly how to check all those little boxes to see that the MDS was complete. All that education wasted

Here's a bigger secret.. I did all the coordination as the LPN, because it confused the RN and she hated doing it.
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