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No. 20
from antihippie
Old Jan 28, 2006, 11:25 AM

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Directly from the manual when I made BM2- when giving orders"explain why, share information, communicate the intent of actions". Seems pretty self-explanitory that using coercion to get a job done is not the way to do it. And if you have to use punitive measures to get a job done leadership is the wrong place for someone to be even if they are an MCPO.

And I wasn't in a medical/admin job either, I was in Deck department on 2 gators and one tender before I went to SWCC and was stationed with SBU-12 as a coxswain at NSWC in Coronado.
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No. 21
Old Jan 28, 2006, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SFCardiacRN
I was not stationed in a medical unit. Perhaps they are different. I was at a dive command. We did salvage and recovery. There were Navy SEALS and EOD(explosive ordinance disposal) and support crews. Lives depended on strict adherence to orders. That's just the way it was. I had friends on destroyers and in the Marine Corps and they lived similar experiences. You question orders at your own peril.
I'm going to copy-n-paste from my previous post...

I never said that officers can randomly pick & choose the orders they wish to obey. Military regulations, orders, doctrine, etc., are almost always right, yet impossible to construct any code of law whose logic or good sense will not at some point require a variance. So, that's where officers are expected to exercise sound judgment, which sometimes ... but rarely requires an officer to not obey those instructions, regulations, or orders that are not in the best interest of the Army [or, applicable military branch] at that moment. Plus, this moral dispensation must never be used for personal gain or other corrupt gains.
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What is so difficult to understand? Officers & especially Senior SNCOs don't question every single military order & reg that comes there way... just the one's which would go against the best interest of the military in a specific situation, plus better darn well be prepared to back up axn with just cause. I, being an enlisted AD USMC Vet, am well aware of the importance of junior enlisted following orders w/o question.
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No. 22
Old Jan 28, 2006, 12:35 PM

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Nursing school instructors act strict and hard, and everyone cries, "Nursing Eats Its Young". And it because they are female and dysfunctional.

They act soft, warm and empathetic and every cries "Nursing is too touchy feelie, and soft and sweet. And it must be because they are female and dysfunctional.

Anyone see a problem with these attitudes?
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No. 23
Old Jan 28, 2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by caroladybelle
Nursing school instructors act strict and hard, and everyone cries, "Nursing Eats Its Young". And it because they are female and dysfunctional.

They act soft, warm and empathetic and every cries "Nursing is too touchy feelie, and soft and sweet. And it must be because they are female and dysfunctional.

Anyone see a problem with these attitudes?
Please, I don't mean to throw you a furr ball, but the phrase; Nursing Eats Its' Young, refers to the conception of how GNs & new RNs are treated by seasoned RNs, IMHO. Nursing Instructors need to be strict, yet should not act like robots [like some LEOs ... law enforcement officers], and show a little understanding towards there students. Yet, not to the extreme indicated by the OP's example.

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No. 24
Old Jan 28, 2006, 01:18 PM

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Nursing school instructors act strict and hard, and everyone cries, "Nursing Eats Its Young". And it because they are female and dysfunctional.

They act soft, warm and empathetic and every cries "Nursing is too touchy feelie, and soft and sweet. And it must be because they are female and dysfunctional.

Anyone see a problem with these attitudes?
Just typical stereotypical half-truths bandied about as reality.
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No. 25
from Josh L.Ac.
Old Jan 30, 2006, 05:11 PM

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I graduated with my BS in biology (pre-med emphasis) from Missouri State University [show-me-state], so when I travelled to Seattle WA to go to acupuncture school, I was in for a culture shock because Bastyr University is the ultimate hippie school in the US.

It's not that people in my undergrad were cut-throat - we actually helped each other out, the teachers were strict but very helpful. That's what I was used to. One of my advisors used to always say "...if you can't handle the classes, maybe you should try getting a degree in business." That might seem rude to some, but people back home aren't afraid to give you their honest opinion. More often then not, it is somewhat accurate and will save you alot of time and heartache.


But then I went to Bastyr. Wow. It's just that...well...I might be stressed but I don't need a hug. They way I see it, a guy doesn't need a hug unless he is choking.

I couldn't walk down the hall without people hugging each other. During finals, it was even worse. Students crying and being comforted...it drove me nuts. If you can't even handle taking a test, how can you expect to handle a patient?

But the important thing to remember is that if it works for them, great. We all have different motivations and needs, and while I longing look back to the time before Oprah ruined everything, I understand now that the outcome is the most important thing. If a doctor or nurse cries after they had a stressful situation, and is then able to get back to work and perform their job, then their crying isn't a liability. It's just annoying.
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No. 26
from edchunt
Old Feb 23, 2006, 08:23 PM

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I am a guy amongst about 58 women We have lost some girls already... just keep up the good work man!!!
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No. 27
Old Feb 24, 2006, 11:12 AM

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Hi Antihippie,

I'm from the Metro Detroit area and I'm curious what school you're attending. Would you please send me a PM letting me know what school you're talking about? Thanks!
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No. 28
from K98
Old Feb 24, 2006, 04:50 PM

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No touchy-feely at our school. It is a survival exercise. Kill or be killed. Us vs. Them. We only have to hang on for 3 more months...
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