Race relations and nursing enviroments - page 3

I have been told by a rumour that there are racial tensions between the black and white nurses and that the black nurses were forced to leave some hospitals due to the hostile conditions. Is there... Read More

  1. by   bizzymum919
    Not to leave anyone out. I thank everyone for sharing what they see in their hospitals.:kiss It seems that most hospitals are trying to do proactive measures to keep racial tension down to a minimum and also letting people of colour express themselves and not feel shut out of the system.

    There are thousands of hospitals to choose from in the UK and where some are laggging behind it seems that other are making strides in leaps and bounds in respect to diversity and providing a friendly work environment for everyone.

    I am looking for both a friendly work environment AND home environment. In my opinion, I feel I am more likely to find them in the UK rather than in the US. I have met so many friendly Northerners (esp Yorkshire and Birmingham areas) and I even have not ruled out Scotland, or N. Ireland as a possibility of places. I know there is shortage of nurses there also.
  2. by   Baby G
    Thanks for the info.. but how long ago did this happen? I can always reconsider going to Houston, but I'll go there first to see why the 23% of the population who is black still live there. In the same breath, I will never reconsider leaving the UK.

    I have been to the States countless times, and in my experience things are different there. I'm neither British nor American so I weigh things from a neutral point of view. Saying that, Britain is now losing a lot of their nurses (Brits and overseas recruited nurses) to the US than they are receiving.
  3. by   bizzymum919
    Houston has some of the best hospitals on the country due to the private organizations that fund some research areas of medicine. The pay and job market in Houston is also quite good.

    I understand that nurses from the UK and other countries are coming to the US due to the pay. When a starting LPN can make $35,000/yr with $2-5,000 sign on bonuses to start in some states and a RN can make $45-60,000/yr to start with and $5-10,000 sign on bonuses, how can anyone pass that up. There are so much research and specializations for nurses. Do British RN's insert PICC lines in patients ? I know that some hospitals in Australia have RN's that do so.

    Nurse practitioners have nearly complete autonomy here in the US, but he/she must pay and arm and a leg for malpractice insurance. Also nurse anethetists also must retain VERY high malpractice insurance. RN's and LPN's do not need as much. A nurse with any sort of specialization/certification such as oncology, neurology, radiology can pretty much write their own pay cheque and the hospitals will gladly pay.

    Also Britons are going for the warmer climates. TX, CA, FL and HI are getting flooded with Brits. I love the snow !
  4. by   bizzymum919
    [QUOTE=Baby G]Thanks for the info.. but how long ago did this happen?

    This happened in 1992 and they still have not integrated that city. It is just known as a no-go/pass through zone for people of colour.
  5. by   Mike RGN
    Quote from bizzymum919

    Do British RN's insert PICC lines in patients ? I know that some hospitals in Australia have RN's that do so.


    The same here in the UK some nurses do some don't insert PICC
  6. by   Silverdragon102
    Quote from bizzymum919
    I understand that nurses from the UK and other countries are coming to the US due to the pay. When a starting LPN can make $35,000/yr with $2-5,000 sign on bonuses to start in some states and a RN can make $45-60,000/yr to start with and $5-10,000 sign on bonuses, how can anyone pass that up.
    Also Britons are going for the warmer climates. TX, CA, FL and HI are getting flooded with Brits. I love the snow !
    I have just passed my NCLEX and have been told by the end of the year I should be out in AZ. The hospital who is sponcering me for my green card appears a very nice hospital and is paying me on my experience as a nurse which is 18 years.

    I am expecting alot of change but have been assured that the hospital provides a good orientation period and ongoing support for their foreign trained nurses so time will tell.

    Being AZ the climate is a nice bonus but we was happy to move anywhere within the US where there would be a job for both of us.

    Don't expect alot of snow in the UK as it is in very much short supply and alot of time because we don't get alot of the white fluffy stuff as soon as it comes the people cannot cope (Especially driving) and things shut down.


    Hope you enjoy your visit to this country it is a beautiful country but my husband and I are just wanting a chance to do something different before it is too late. I also hope that you do not come across any racial problems and if you do remember we are not all like that.

    Anna
  7. by   OC_An Khe
    Just a reminder people, there is only ONE race and that is the HUMAN race.
  8. by   Good_Queen_Bess
    Quote from ocankhe
    Just a reminder people, there is only ONE race and that is the HUMAN race.

    Well said Ocanke.
    I am very sad to hear of the bad experience's of racism that some people have had. It is very wrong and should never be tolerated. I work with a couple of people who are racist and I hate it. They know not to say anything infront of me as they usually get a lecture back from me. Fortunatley, I think most people aren't racist and racism is confined to individual's rather than group's. It is still wrong, however.
  9. by   latone
    hi there i must put my two cents in about this topic,i'm from trinidad and came to the uk in 98,i've worked in wales,west yorkshire,surreyand the isle of man,i've worked with some really nice people and for most part my experience has been good (i've done the nclex and moving on to the usa) i've experienced racism in surrey (wd mger) and once from a 90 yr old pt and on both occasions i cried but the nice people i've met far outweigh the two,i hope the usa will be just as good but i do feel better equiped.
  10. by   bizzymum919
    Wow ! Wales and the Isle of Man. I bet that was an experience. Excuse my ignorance, but I was afraid if I went to those parts of the UK, that I would stand out like a sore thumb. :imbar How was the nursing environment in those places in regards to nursing practices and progress and of course, how did the local and professional people perceive and receive you?

    Also it is good to know that there are PICC nurses in the UK. I would like to get experienced with that since I worked in the Interventional Radiology dept and was quite impressed with the skills involved. Sometimes I feel that the more versed and skilled I become the more people will see past my skin colour. It is just what I have experienced here in the US. With affirmative action people feel that you got job soley because the employer had to hire you because you were black and not based on your skill and qualifications, but when people realize that I am quite qualified and then some, they are not as resentful, but then they may mock you for being "too smart". It is a vicious cycle, but a reality here in the US.
  11. by   latone
    oops i mean equipped,my best experience was in the isle of man,not for skills but working environment,they have a brand new hosp with everything and the people are much nicer than on the mainland i guess they are less stressed
    wales was nice also people always ask me if i'm welsh (i'm black) but alot of my fellow trinis here in the uk get ask the same thing apparently our accents are close.
  12. by   auroranae
    [QUOTE=bizzymum919]Houston TX has some of the best food places, but the racism is even unbearable for other Texans.

    BizzyMum-

    I am from the US, living in the US and working in the US as a nurse. I am in Maryland... a Southern State. I have visited my family living in GA and SC and friends in Tx... the predjudice is not just for skin color. I am considered a Northerner. I am caucasian and have never really paid much attention to where someone was from or their color. It is not something one can change and is as much a part of them as their eye color. Everyone is a package. You either accept that package or you don't. In our house that is what I teach my children. You do not see a color or a religion- you see before you a person who is a color or is a religion. The person comes first and who that person is is what is important.
    My sister has been living in the South for nearly 5 years and she is still referred to as "The Northerner". A very sad thing for anyone of any color or religion or ethnic background. To be seen as a "something" rather than a "person". I would hate to think it is something that would prevent you from going home to your family and friends. It is a long way from the US to the UK to visit for holidays. I hope that you find it is not as prevalent as you have heard.
  13. by   DavidFR
    Quote from bizzymum919
    Everyone is speaking about how the Philipino nurses were welcomed in their area, but are they just as friendly to Black Britons?


    I think in general Britain is very welcoming to outsiders of whatever colour, but of course there are hotspots. I lived in an area of the northwest (the Rossendale valley) where I saw Asians verbally abused in the street, on, buses etc. and heard unacceptable racist remarks from nurses I worked with. i always challenged racism whenever I came accross it, but sadly it was engrained in the culture of this region. Strange, as nearby is multi-cultural Manchester which is a great city, whatever your race.

    In sixteen years of working in London I only ever witnessed one racial incident, and that was a case of black on white racism between colleagues. I think London is one of the most truly mixed, cosmopolitan cities in in the world. Of course problems exist, like everywhere, but in general it's fine whatever colour you are.

    I now live in Paris, where in three years I've never witnessed any trouble along racial lines. There are areas of rural France where intolerance exists, but in general it's fine here. The whole FN/Le Pen thing has given France the reputation abroad of being rather racist, but my experience is actually the opposite. There are large numbers of black and arab people here, and in general communities are mixed and relations are good.

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