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No. 10
from JOPICCRN5
Old Jul 15, 2008, 03:07 PM

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Thank you so much for your information. We are beating our heads against the wall with docs pulling our lines and not getting proper cultures. We even had one say he didnt care what the cultures came back as he still considered it a PICC line infection. I do know all our tips we have been able to get cultures on have been negative. Yes we use ultrasound to place our PICCS. I wouldnt place one without it.. and when I first started we used to place without ultrasound. Nothing like poke and hope you didnt hit the artery. I am going to check out the websites you have given me and will also e-mail you for the cheat sheet. The nurses on the floor try to give good care but we are in a situation where we are expected to do more with less and it is frustrating all around. Thanks again. I have read alot of your posts and value the information you give. I have directed some of my coworkers to this website also. Hope to see them on here.
As far as the maximal barrier thing I have not seen them come home from Iowa City, Des Moines, or even Mayo with one of those so would be curious to know who out there is using them and is it just for the first week or more?
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No. 11
Old Jul 20, 2008, 11:44 PM

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When trying to differentiate if a PICC is infected, there is a test called time to positivity. BLood is drawn from the PICC, and also directly from a vein. Then the time to positivity is measured. IF a PICC is infected the time to positivity is faster by 120 minutes on the PICC culture. Unfortunatlely, it takes a special machine to do this and not all facilities have this machine. You may want to inquire if your facility can do this test.
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No. 12
Old Aug 09, 2008, 12:42 PM

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I recommend using the Biopatch along with a securment device like Statlock. The new stats on Biopatch state that PICC infections are reduced by 60%. That is a significant evidence for me to adapt my practice.
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No. 13
from piccemrn1
Old Aug 26, 2009, 04:35 PM

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Actually, if the inserter infected the patient, literature strongly suggests the infection will manifest with 24-48 hours. Any time beyond that, it can be line manipulation, lack of hand hygiene or access technique. If an infection is suspected, check xray for PNA, urine, or wound/source..If picc line is still suspected draw 2 sets; one directly from the line and a peripheral, then culture your tip. It is also recommended to wait 24-48 hrs before placing another line.
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No. 14
from BabyLady
Old Aug 26, 2009, 05:10 PM

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Not sure if this applies, but in the NICU, we do PICC lines constantly.

Here is our infection control measures:

1. PICC line placed via sterile procedure using Chlorhexidine Gluconate to prep the site.
2. PICC dressing is only changed in 24 hours if the dressing is dirty...if it's a scant amount of blood.....no change is made unles the dressing is dirty or coming off.
3. No access to PICC's or INT's unless site is cleaned with Chlorhexidine Gluconate for 15 seconds and allowed to dry for 30 seconds..and I'm not kidding you when I say..yes, we do follow that to the letter.
4. Cap changes are done by the RN's under full sterile procedure every 72 hours...that means, mask, gown, sterile gloves, etc.
5. PICC's that are pulled or just pulled out are also done under sterile procedure.

Yes, it is alot but our infection rates and culture rates are virtually zero in our department..we will actually go for months without getting one.
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