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No. 10
from marachne
Old Oct 25, 2008, 12:29 AM

Default Re: How do you use the FAST Scale?
Originally Posted by NurseAlwaysNForever View Post
I didn't want to make this an RN vs LVN thread so that is not where I am going with this at all. I truly respect my RN and acknowledge that she has had much more training and experience than I have and I recognize that 100%, but at my place of work as the LVN my opinion is less valued. My boss does not ever want to disagree with the RN's because 1, he is afraid of losing them, they are much harder to come by, and 2 he is an LVN himself. Whenever I or any other LVN raise a question we are told not to be "insubordinate" to our RN. So, that is my problem. I want to approach this very carefully so as not to ruffle any one's feathers. I have had 4 RN's in 2 years at this company and would not want to lose the one I have for anything. She is the first one that has truly helped me and been kind and compassionate to my patients. I do feel blessed to have her. She doesn't think that she is any better than me, but does tend to "mother/mentor" me as she is much older than I am and much more experienced. Maybe I am am a little hesitant to truly "argue" my opinion out of respect for her. I don't know how to put it. It's kind of complicated I guess.
All makes perfect sense, really. And I had no idea who was the RN and who was the LVN before you told me.

I know the issues of hierarchies and power can be tricky indeed.

As I said, I'm glad you mostly get along, and are doing well and right by your patients.

I'm just curious -- were you able to present the info I gave you to your partner and your boss? Has it made any difference?

Please, let me know if there is anything else I can do.

Oh, did a quick lit search and here's one more bit to add. Here is the abstract, and I've attached the full .pdf

Again, I hope this helps you make your point.

FAST Staging .pdf

Diagnosis of Alzheimer's Disease
Functional and Global Evaluations
The GDS/FAST Staging System

Stefanie Auer a1 and Barry Reisberg a1
a1 Aging and Dementia Research Center, New York University Medical Center, New York, New York, USA







Abstract

Staging methodologies are an essential tool in the assessment of disease severity in progressive dementing illness. Several different instruments have been developed for this purpose. One of the most widely used methodologies is the Global Deterioration Scale/Functional Assessment Staging (GDS/FAST) system. This system has been studied extensively and proven to be reliable and valid for staging dementia in Alzheimer's disease (AD) in diverse settings. One of the major advantages of this system is that it spans, demarcates, and describes the entire course of normal aging and progressive AD until the final substages of the disease process. Other advantages include: (a) greatly enhanced ability to track the longitudinal course of AD, (b) improved clinicopathologic observations of AD interrelationships, and (c) enhanced diagnostic, differential diagnostic, and prognostic information. This article presents a brief overview of the GDS/FAST staging system

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No. 11
Old Oct 26, 2008, 11:46 PM

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I have not broached the subject with them as of yet, but I did send an e-mail to the compliance officer asking for clarification. I did not mention to her where the confusion was coming from, or mention any names, but did state that "we" were having some confusion, could she please clarify for us. This way I am not actually confronting any one in the office with the information. I felt it would be easier this way. you have been very helpful and I am very grateful. I will be printing off this information and leaving it in places they are sure to see it.

Thanks!!!!
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No. 12
from marachne
Old Oct 27, 2008, 12:16 AM

Default Re: How do you use the FAST Scale?
Originally Posted by NurseAlwaysNForever View Post
I have not broached the subject with them as of yet, but I did send an e-mail to the compliance officer asking for clarification. I did not mention to her where the confusion was coming from, or mention any names, but did state that "we" were having some confusion, could she please clarify for us. This way I am not actually confronting any one in the office with the information. I felt it would be easier this way. you have been very helpful and I am very grateful. I will be printing off this information and leaving it in places they are sure to see it.

Thanks!!!!
That sounds like a good strategy.

Good luck, and let me know how it goes.
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No. 13
Old Oct 27, 2008, 05:51 PM

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Well the compliance officer agrees with them. She states that it is just to document decline and they expect it to decrease as the patient declines. How do I argue this issue with the compliance officer without getting fired? I am at a loss. I know I am right, and I can't bring myself to use the scales the way that they do. It doesn't make since. The compliance officer said to start at the bottom and work my way backwards until I get to the one that fits my patient. AAARRRGGGGh. It is so aggravating.
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No. 14
from marachne
Old Oct 27, 2008, 07:43 PM

Default Re: How do you use the FAST Scale?
Originally Posted by NurseAlwaysNForever View Post
Well the compliance officer agrees with them. She states that it is just to document decline and they expect it to decrease as the patient declines. How do I argue this issue with the compliance officer without getting fired? I am at a loss. I know I am right, and I can't bring myself to use the scales the way that they do. It doesn't make since. The compliance officer said to start at the bottom and work my way backwards until I get to the one that fits my patient. AAARRRGGGGh. It is so aggravating.

I'm so sorry to hear this. I don't know what kind of agency you work for (i.e. are they an independent agency, part of a chain, part of a larger healthcare system like a hospital system, etc.)

Because the only thing I can think of is going outside your immediate situation but w/i you system -- closer to home, your medical director? if you are in a chain, maybe there is someone at a national level? If part of a larger system, a geriatrician or an dementia clinic?

I understand you're frustration -- are you saying that they are insisting that you chart that way? Using FAST scale numbers?

Besides your own integrity, I would be concerned that any kind of chart review could cause serious problems for the agency.

I'm hoping that someone else will speak up and maybe offer you other ideas of how to deal with this.
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No. 15
Old Oct 27, 2008, 09:29 PM

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I have always been taught that the FAST scale goes from 1 to 7 and you can not go forward without having the previous on the scale therefore, someone that is A&O x3 cannot be a 7C because they are able to speak more than 6 intelligle words throughout a day or conversation. Even if this pt can't walk. If they were incontinent of both B&B they would then only be a 6E. Therefore you cannot use dementia as primary dx. This has caused many a long recertification because our hospice docs will fight tooth and nail to make sure they do not speak more than 6 intelligle words. The person must have severe dementia to use this as a hospice diagnosis and just because they cannot walk does not make them a 7C if they can hold a conversation with you. Hope this helps.
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No. 16
from marachne
Old Oct 27, 2008, 11:02 PM

Default Re: How do you use the FAST Scale?
Twinkle ears, the issue is that people at OP's agency are using it for documentation for people without dementia.

The scale is one that is used for a prognosis (and yes, now a certification) tool for people w/AD. The OP's colleagues are using it for people with totally different dx, which I think is not only wrong, but can get the agency in a lot of hot water!

Now they're telling the OP that she has to chart that way too, even though it doesn't make any sense.
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No. 17
Old Oct 28, 2008, 12:46 AM

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We actually are doing web based charting and it HAS to be filled out to proceed to the next page. I have been checking a 1 for my patients who do not have dementia/alzheimers, but have been instructed to start at the bottom and work may way up regardless.
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No. 18
from RN4ustat
Old Nov 01, 2008, 12:00 PM

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Wow!! Thanks for the links.......looks like some really good info!! I was very fascinated by the dementia prognostication info, specifically the mention of the Mortality Risk Index as the company I work for has recently started to use it in determining eligibility. Thanks again for the info!!

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This could lead to serious problems for your agency if you're not using the tools the same (which means at least one of you is using it wrong!) And I'm assuming these instruments are being used as part of the continuing certification as well as to document decline from a clinical stand point.

I'm attaching "Fast Fact #150, Prognostication of Dementia" it should help with your documentation. I found it pretty easy just by putting into Google "Dementia Prognostication FAST score" it was the first hit. I guess I've just gotten good at doing searches.

But you should also know about the "Fast Facts" in general -- there's even a downloadable version for a PDA! You can find them here: http://www.eperc.mcw.edu/ff_index.htm
And there's even a search function now.

The PPS is discussed in FF #125

Also, Growth House has a link to various tools here: http://www.growthhouse.org/promotingexcellence/



Good luck. I hope these documents help


Concept 150 Dementia Formatted.pdf
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No. 19
from robbinsg
Old Jul 22, 2009, 03:50 PM

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Here are the actual instructions on how to score the FAST scale:

INSTRUCTIONS

The FAST Stage is the highest consecutive level of disability. For clinical purposes, in addition to staging the level of disability, additional, non-ordinal (nonconsecutive) deficits should be noted, since these additional deficits are of clear clinical relevance.
For the purpose of therapeutic trials, the FAST can be used to sensitively encompass the full range in functional disability in CNS aging and dementia. For these purposes the FAST Disability Score should be obtained as follows:
(1) Each FAST substage should be converted into a numerical stage. Specifically, the following scoring should be applied: 6a=6.0; 6b=6.2; 6c=6.4; 6d = 6.6; 6e = 6.8; 7a = 7.0; 7b=7.2; 7c=7.4; 7d=7.6; 7e=7.8; 7f=8.0.
(2) The consecutive level of disability (FAST stage) is scored and given a numerical value.
(3) The non-consecutive FAST deficits are scored. A non-consecutive full stage deficit is scored as 1.0. A non-consecutive sub - stage deficit is scored as 0.2.
(4) The FAST Disability Score =( The FAST Stage Score) + (Each Non-Consecutive FAST disability scored as described).
For example, if a patient is at FAST Stage 6a, then the patient’s FAST stage score = 6.0. By definition, this patient cannot handle a job, manage their personal finances, independently pick out their clothing properly, or put on their clothing properly without assistance. If, in addition, this patient is incontinent of urine and cannot walk without assistance, then nonconsecutive deficits “6d” and “7c” are scored. The FAST Disability Score for this patient is 6.0 + 0.2+0.2 = 6.4.
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