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Hi, I'm going for my bsn and we have a alternative health nursing class in which we are to do a presentation on magnet therapy. Does anyone know where you could get some printable literature or get a hold of some magnets for free etc just for presentation or any other helpful info or studies using magnet therapy. Internet is a good resource but a lot of companies trying to sell their products. any help

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dont try to take my copper and magnets away

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If anyone can offer any solid scientific evidence, ie: a double blind study done by an independent agent, please post it. Weezie asked 9 mouths ago and only anacdotal evidence has been offered.

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Specializes in ER, ICU, L&D, OR.
If anyone can offer any solid scientific evidence, ie: a double blind study done by an independent agent, please post it. Weezie asked 9 mouths ago and only anacdotal evidence has been offered.

Not everything in life is scientific Charlie

My magnets make me feel better

and do wonders for my personality :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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If anyone can offer any solid scientific evidence, ie: a double blind study done by an independent agent, please post it. Weezie asked 9 mouths ago and only anacdotal evidence has been offered.

You could try MagnaBloc via their website and contact them as I know they have done some studies. This was originally posted by John Bosco in June. Or if you could not get the information ther then contact the Amway Corporation they own Magna Bloc I think. They could now be contacted under the name Alticor. Worth a try?

Good hunting,

Mr.C.

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If anyone can offer any solid scientific evidence, ie: a double blind study done by an independent agent, please post it. Weezie asked 9 mouths ago and only anacdotal evidence has been offered.

Objective observation of phenomena is the basis of scientific experimentation and research, however, since it is impossible to separate the observer from what is being observed, making all studies null and void, we, or should I say Western medicine is standing on shaky ground.

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The inablity to separate the observer from the phenomenon is only relavent to subatomic physics.

It would certainly be possible to set up a double blind study of magnet therapy.

I have no problem with healing through "placebo effect", or other forms of Subjective effect treatment. I do object to pretending that Objective effects are happening. I also see it as clearly dishonest not to be interested in which kind of medicine we are practicing.

If western medicine is on shaky ground then so is western engineering which is also based on "unreliable science". So I guess the next time you need to go somewhere you should use the reliable methods of travel like astral projection or levitation rather than a train or automobile.

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Are you seriously suggesting taking the word of one of the all time greats of pyramide sales plans. The essence of pyramide selling is dishonest advertisement. Amway is a pyramide sales operation. They are not a trustworthy source of information.

Even if they were a firm with a better reputation, say Proctor-Gamble or Dow Chemical, the mere fact that they are selling the product makes their studies unacceptable. The tester must be independent of anyone who is going to make a financial profit off the product.

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Are you seriously suggesting taking the word of one of the all time greats of pyramide sales plans. The essence of pyramide selling is dishonest advertisement. Amway is a pyramide sales operation. They are not a trustworthy source of information.................

.........Even if they were a firm with a better reputation, say Proctor-Gamble or Dow Chemical, the mere fact that they are selling the product makes their studies unacceptable. The tester must be independent of anyone who is going to make a financial profit off the product.

It could be interesting to go further with your questionable (and possibly unproven) observation about the Amway Corporation, and they being nothing more than a 'pyramid' sales operation; but that is not the intention of this thread.

I have found upon inquiry that they were investigated along with other multilevel businesses about 'magnetic therapy' and the magna bloc in particular by completely independent and unbiased scource and it was established that magna bloc used correctly is effective in blocking pain sensation.

I am making further inquiries through the government watchdogs with regards the legality of the Amway business. Possibly something for a future thread?

Keep smiling.

Mr.C.

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Specializes in ER, ICU, L&D, OR.
The inablity to separate the observer from the phenomenon is only relavent to subatomic physics.

It would certainly be possible to set up a double blind study of magnet therapy.

I have no problem with healing through "placebo effect", or other forms of Subjective effect treatment. I do object to pretending that Objective effects are happening. I also see it as clearly dishonest not to be interested in which kind of medicine we are practicing.

If western medicine is on shaky ground then so is western engineering which is also based on "unreliable science". So I guess the next time you need to go somewhere you should use the reliable methods of travel like astral projection or levitation rather than a train or automobile.

You can object all you want to the "Placebo Effect?

And personally I would love to learn how to levitate or use astral projection for travel, particularly as I never use airlines anymore, not for over 28 yrs now.

But I credit magnets with avoiding Carpal tunnel surgery and also Back surgery, both were highly recommended to me 15 yrs ago and have been avoided with the use of magnets.

Its funny how people scoff at the subjectiveness of magnet therapy while being steadfast supporters of the Subjectiveness of Fibromyalgia

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I know nothing about magnet therapy, but I do know doctors and nurses who swear by it, and have become wellness consultants for a Japanese company named Nikken. I am told that Nikken and one of the campuses of the California State University system--it's either UC Davis are UC Irvine--are collaborating on medicla uses for magnet therapy. I don't know if any double blind studies have been done to date, but I think that info might be available on their website http://www.Nikken.com

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The inablity to separate the observer from the phenomenon is only relavent to subatomic physics.

It would certainly be possible to set up a double blind study of magnet therapy.

I have no problem with healing through "placebo effect", or other forms of Subjective effect treatment. I do object to pretending that Objective effects are happening. I also see it as clearly dishonest not to be interested in which kind of medicine we are practicing.

If western medicine is on shaky ground then so is western engineering which is also based on "unreliable science". So I guess the next time you need to go somewhere you should use the reliable methods of travel like astral projection or levitation rather than a train or automobile.

No double-blind study is valid if you have to get the consent of adults, therefore they know they are in a study. Don't try to throw physics at me cause I can match you.

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No double-blind study is valid if you have to get the consent of adults, therefore they know they are in a study. Don't try to throw physics at me cause I can match you.

So are you denying the validity of double blind studies used by main-line pharmacutical companies and government agencies to determine the effectiveness of medications? Granted the biologic sciences do not attain the level of rigor that physics and chemistry do, none the less carefully structured experiments can and do yield valid information regarding theorys of treatment. With such information we can predict the effectiveness of treatments based on that theory.

All persons who consent to be in a study know is that they are in a study. Neither they nor the staff who administer the meds know if they are given an active ingredient or a neutral placebo.

I am amazed that people involved in a profession based on science can actively deny the basic premises of science, that true theorys must result in reliable predictions of future conditions. Unless rigorous testing is done then the truth of the theory can't be shown.

Magnets are not rare or expensive. It should not be difficult for a simple test of their effectiveness as treatment tools to be conducted.

For example; If the claim is that they improve circulation, then the quality of circulation needs to be measured. Circulation quality can be measured by someting as simple as a skin temperature thermometer, or capillary refill time, or a variety of more complex devises. A large sample of test subjects need to be found, say the freshman class of a Nursing school, and they need to be tested, when exposed to a magnet and when they only think they have been exposed to a magnet, and when they believe they have not been exposed. The test protocol should be repeated with a "sick" population who have known circulatory problems. If there is a positve effect on circulation, that is greater than chance would predict, then the magnet has been shown to be probably effective.

I apologize if it seems I am talking down to you but this is simple stuff. It is not rocket science, but it is science!

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