Hesi Exit Test - page 7

Hello fellow educators....I am dealing with a dilema which I have no control over as I am a staff member, not administration, but it is just eating away at my concious. My community college uses the... Read More

  1. Visit  AOx1} profile page
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    I suppose the thing that saddens me most about this thread is the apparent view the school is taking in viewing students as disposable. We need nurses desperately. I think the problem with many standardized tests is that they tend to favor 'traditional' learners; those who can read a book, attend a lecture, and pass the test. Many students need more than one try to "get" new information, and learn best through visual and kinesthetic input.

    While it is true that some may never be able to be good nurses, it is not true of most. I find that the nurses in practice that scare me the most are of two varieties- those who are too lazy to do anything (including critically think and attend to the patient's needs) and those who think they know everything. The refusal to remediate these students makes me very sad. Consider asking your school to fund a grant for a student success counselor that is dedicated to the school of nursing only.
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  3. Visit  2btmanrn} profile page
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    I agree with standarized testing, but it must be used throughout the entire curriculum. Through out the nursing program, we used paper tests and a scantron. We never practiced or took any test with the computer. Well, maybe because most of our computer were not working or too slow. Don't forget, that most of the time, we couldn't even get into our computer lab. Not enough support faculty employed. Another thing, and most important. We were constantly humilated, I am talking verbal abuse. I think by the time the instructors were done with us, we had no confidence or self esteem. We begged the Dean to find someone to help us. We were mostly used as helpers, help the instructors with their church functions. It was NUTS. So now, the school wants more than 9000 for my classmates to repeat second year and have their grades audited and pass second year in order to repeat taking HESI. Grades audited? Most of my classmates have A's and B's. Approx five of them are Cum Laudes. All I can do for them is pray, Some did seek an attorney. I spent four years with my classmates. I know how they are, and I know they will make great nurses. They have sacrificed so much, more than I. They have families, children. I don't. I don't think I could of ever studied as hard as they have, with whats already on their plate. I ask anyone, please if you know of anyone, resources, anything that may help them. Please PM me. I understand this a long standing debate. I just can't seem to get over the fact, that my classmates have been abandoned by the program. Now, they want my classmates to come up with more money and delete their original grades. How can my classmates trust these very same instructor that abused, and lied to them? How will we know, that the instructors won't fail them on purpose? One of my clinical instructor had said to me, when she found out I passed NCLEX. That she feels that all the students would pass NCLEX the first time. And that she didn't believe in using HESI in this manner. I asked her, why she couldn't give that opinion to the chancellor? She said, because if she was, the chancellor would not hire her next time.
    Some people have too much power. Its the little guys that finsih last. When it comes to money and or power, I see that prevents people from doing what is right. My gut instinct tells me this is all wrong.
    I need someone to make recommendations.


    To All Educators: I ask you this, if you know any way to direct me to the appropriate people. Please PM me.
    I am being truthful when I say, my classmates are excellent students. I have studied with them for four years. I should know.
    In your spare time, I understand school has started. If you can help me research this. I know you guys network.
    Again, I don't have any quarrel with stanardized testing. As long, as it is use accordingly. Measure our areas of weakness from the beginning. If students have any areas of weakness, please don't let them matriculate onto the next course.
    As I continue to read various posts here, I have come to realize that not all instructors are out to get their students. I know there are instructors out there who really want to see their students succeed. I truly believe that.
    Thanks
    Last edit by 2btmanrn on Sep 4, '08
  4. Visit  txm910} profile page
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    The other factor that is unfair is that the schools are not upfront about how you have to take this exit HESI exam to graduate and the minimum score required. I just graduated from Nursing School Friday and I had to take the HESI to graduate. The minimum score required was 87. Thankfully, I passed and am done. However, I know many fellow classmates who are smart and are going to make great nurses who failed by 2 pts and now wait to retest again. I think it is unfair. I have suggested to people who have seeked advice from me about going into nursing school to enroll in school that doesn't force you to pass the HESI to graduate. IF you completed the course work and passed all the skills necessary... I don't think a HESI score should determine your graduation.
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  5. Visit  oct3d} profile page
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    Does anyone have info on any school in the New York area that would give students a nclex review and then sign them up for the stae boards this is providing that the student completed and LPN program but failed to pass the stupid HESI with a 950
  6. Visit  2btmanrn} profile page
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    I read this in the bible, I usually don't talk about religion or attend church every week. But, I do believe and have faith in him.

    Since, this whole incident with HESI I have been praying alot. For my classmates, and other students out there who have been used as escapegoats by thier nursing programs' deficiencies.

    Here it is, I hope it opens up some people's mind.


    "It will always be costly to follow in GOD's way."





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  7. Visit  valmor1984} profile page
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    Students, I mean this in the kindest possible way....may I suggest that you take this discussion to the student portion of the site, and start a thread about HESI there?



    This area of allnurses is for nurse educators, to allow them to discuss and exchange information that is of interest to faculty. I am sure you like having a portion of the site where you can discuss concerns with other students, and we like being able to talk to our colleagues as well.
  8. Visit  oct3d} profile page
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    I most certainly apologize it was not my intention to muscle in on some educators free space I was just trying to get some info I truly apologize for my forwardness .:imbar
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  9. Visit  txm910} profile page
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    I'm sorry. I'm fairly new to this website. I did not know there was a student vs educators portion of this website.
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  10. Visit  valmor1984} profile page
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    There is no need for apologies! My concern is that you may not get many responses if you post on this portion of the site.

    Have a great semester, and good luck to all of you.
  11. Visit  2btmanrn} profile page
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    My apologies too. I am glad to know that there are instructors out there who really do care for their students. I wish I had the pleasure to have met you guys. It's nice to be able to communicate with instructors on this site. Is there an instructor to student thread?
  12. Visit  mdjacobsen} profile page
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    I am a student, It is refresing to see that an educator cares about the student's needs
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  13. Visit  mdjacobsen} profile page
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    Oops. Sorry did not see this is an educator link. Thanks anyhow for caring anout the students
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    Quote from valmor1984
    Students, I mean this in the kindest possible way....may I suggest that you take this discussion to the student portion of the site, and start a thread about HESI there?



    This area of allnurses is for nurse educators, to allow them to discuss and exchange information that is of interest to faculty. I am sure you like having a portion of the site where you can discuss concerns with other students, and we like being able to talk to our colleagues as well.

    So why wouldn't this topic be of interest to faculty, nurse educators on this forum? It is the faculty who let this Hesi go on even though they may or may not believe in it. If the faculty cared at all they would encourage us as students to voice our concerns not tell us to go some where else with it. This is what we get though for believing in our teachers, instructors when most could care less. I would like to thank the faculty, nurse educators who actually are advocates for their students, to those who do not back down b/c they are scared they may lose their job.


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