so just what is your question?
well, my original statement (rather than a specific question) was: i just would like to hear something.....anything.... positive about trying to make a move to hawaii.
i'm not all that sure you're headed here anyway, seeing as just a few weeks or so ago you posted that "you really want to move" to seattle (??).
definitely. i'd love to live in seattle. i love it there too and it's so completely different from hawaii. i have never said that i want to move to hawaii next week and stay for the rest of my life. it may be one place, it may be the other, or it could be both! in reality, we're waiting another year or two to become empty nesters and for me to decide on graduate school.
in asking questions about moving to seattle, many people are happy to tell others about the pitfalls of living in seattle. very high cost of living - comparable to hawaii if living downtown, near puget sound. the rain and gloomy weather almost all the time, etc. and the list goes on. one thing that is different though is that most people will extend further information to not only make an informed decision, but give information on how to make it a success. like: here's the downsides, but it can be done! they are talking about how wonderful seattle is and what it has to offer. i find that extremely rare on this forum.
1) extreme difficulty finding a place that will rent to someone who has dogs.
this is very helpful to know. i don't know if i'd want to have a dog(s) if i were going to live in a condo. especially since my dogs are big. really, that is helpful.
2) extreme difficulty in finding a job---you've apparently got some experience but so do many many many unemployed nurses here. and yes, facilities do count residential stability (read: local, long-time resident, even military spouse, not fob) as a big factor when hiring.
no military, no family here, etc. i get that. i haven't sought out the assistance of any staffing agencies, travel companies, nurse recruiters or applying to any position since it will be some time yet before we decide "for sure" where and when we want to go. so who knows, maybe things will be better at that point for everyone seeking a nursing position. if not, it is something that will add to our decision.
3) oh...and if you do manage to snag a job, guess what happens if census drops? you're the first to be cut. you stay home. no pto accrued, no pay, period. i've seen ft nurses work as little as one day per two week pay period in times of low census. i've also seen newcomers head back home after an extended period of low census, unable to survive here.
just for clarification.....why would i be the first one cancelled? if i were full time staff and the census drops, do they not take turns amongst the nurses on staff or on that unit?
4) the average stay for professional people who are transplants to hawaii (not beach bums or trust fund babies) is two years. the bloom is off the rose and the honeymoon is over by then. step into the revolving door that is life in hawaii. aloha, baby.
it may be that way for me and my family too. i have often asked (not here) the question for those moving to hawaii....how long does it take to look at the mountains, the ocean, the views all around and not be awe struck? i realize it will happen.
5) things undoubtedly work out better if you bring a fair amount of cash as a buffer during lean times. excellent credit rating is a plus, too, when apartment hunting and, increasingly, when job hunting. i have no idea what your cash flow/credit standing situation is so don't get defensive, just thought i'd toss this in the pot.
excellent points made here. definitely working on that. paying off student loans, socking away money to have "just in case" things don't turn out to be all lilikoi and plumerias. i'll ask more questions about this at the end.
6) resist the urge to convince yourself that you can put up with anything as long as "we are in ha-why-eeeeee!!!!" it's at best unrealistic and at worst downright delusional.
we've been here nearly ten years and doing fine. please re-read issue #5 above. just as a point of information we would survive without my income, if need be. dh is retired with a decent pension, cars are paid for, just six years left on a mortgage that's got a monthly payment of not much more than most decent apartments rent for. kids are grown, we can travel a bit when we want to, my job is secure (yay union). my everyday stress level is pretty low. nice garden, nice little house (doing renovations ourselves), nice neighbors, good dog.
we've accepted the trials and tribulations of living here and yes, there are many. they've been discussed at length in this forum. like clockwork, every few months or so (i see stuff more often that that!
), there will be someone with dreams of moving here that will argue with residents about what it is like to live here. the classic "cost-of-a-gallon-of-milk" presentation gets old.
i couldn't agree with you more which i why i get so annoyed when people living here always bring up how much the milk, bread and gas costs. i'm not trying to argue, i'm trying to ask for real, information....tell me the truth.....it may be $8.00 in maui, but it simply isn't on oahu because i just paid for the stuff 2 days ago! that is reality.
my take on this is that they are actually arguing with themselves, trying to convince themselves that all these people who live here are wrong and they are right.
i really don't think that is true. i think people are trying to understand what other areas are we not seeing that no one else talks about? like i "hear" electricity is very expensive here but i have no idea how much a monthly electric bill would be. same for gas, water/sewage, etc. i hear about how bad traffic is here but i drive here everytime i come and i don't find it all that bad. i realize i don't have such "hard deadlines/timelines" as a vacationer; but those who live here do have to be at work at a certain time and want to get home as quickly as possible just like everywhere else in the world. as a nurse, if you work 12's, do you find traffic to be incredibly difficult to deal with at those hours of the day?
advice? as always, my advice is come on over and give it a try. the worst that can happen is that you use up all your savings and head back home.
good advice and true reality.
lisafrommaui is venting, as many of us who have lived here a while tend to do.
but damn, if you guys are venting...why not vent to each other, even within the forum? this thread as well as many others are directed
towards mainlanders desiring to move here. warning about pitfalls is one thing, but a helping hand might be nice too. for instance, direct people towards resources that you may know of that others do not about making a successful move here. how much money to save up, what will have to be paid once here.
for instance, i find that many apartments to rent state that they are furnished. i have read conflicting information on bringing furniture from the mainland, buying it here, or it coming with ones apartment or condo.
i have also read conflicting information about shipping a car. at what point is it reasonable to ship ones own car? in other words, if the car is paid for, money is still owed, if it's only worth $2000 or if given many circumstances it would just be better to sell it and buy one here.
how much money is enough to have for cushion? i realize this is dependant on a lot of factors, but just thought i'd throw it out there.
you're fantasizing, as many who are on vacation tend to do.
that may be, but one day i'm hoping my fantasy becomes reality. trust, i will find the answers i need be it here, or elsewhere.
enjoy your vacation.
i'm not necessarily asking you or anyone on the hawaii pages to answer my specific or non-specific questions. it would just be helpful if you or others would direct me to resources where questions could be answered. i see now that allnurses is probably not the best place to ask these kinds of questions, but since i'm a nurse asking other nurses, i just thought it would be reasonable to expect some level of commraderie in asking for information. if you wanna answer these questions, that's cool. if not, that's cool too, no big deal.