Care pkgs for deployed military - page 2

Hi I have a few friends deploying soon for Iraq - some MDs, PAs and a couple of RNs I am making a list of care pkg items to share with friends, family and coworkers. But I am not sure if... Read More

  1. by   Gennaver
    Quote from patrick1rn
    OK here goes, I have two combat tours and this is my opinion about care packages and sending them to MDs, PAs and RNs.

    ...snip
    ... So if your MD is going to be gone for 3 months, its time to suck it up a little bit...
    Hello,

    Regarding the ETOH, I agree, do not send it, it is a major violation and wrong.

    About the MDs, PAs and RNs, what I know is that the reason MDs only do a three month tour is due to the loss of skills they may aquire by being in theater, so, they must return in order to brush up and re-hone their skills. I do not know but, the PAs may have a similar reason. As for RNs, the ones that I know are doing 15 months right now and prior were doing 12 right along with the units they are assigned to. You didn't know this?

    Gen
  2. by   SuesquatchRN
    Hey, Gen, congratulations on your commission! I'm proud to have you defending our constitution.
  3. by   SuesquatchRN
    Oh, another biggie, SUNSCREEN!
  4. by   Gennaver
    Quote from Suesquatch
    Oh, another biggie, SUNSCREEN!
    Hello Suesquatch!

    I'm so glad to have the chance

    You are right, sunscreen!! and how about some of those powder packets of flavor to go in water too? Bug spray?

    Gen- in Texas
  5. by   patrick1rn
    Quote from Gennaver
    Hello,

    Regarding the ETOH, I agree, do not send it, it is a major violation and wrong.

    About the MDs, PAs and RNs, what I know is that the reason MDs only do a three month tour is due to the loss of skills they may aquire by being in theater, so, they must return in order to brush up and re-hone their skills. I do not know but, the PAs may have a similar reason. As for RNs, the ones that I know are doing 15 months right now and prior were doing 12 right along with the units they are assigned to. You didn't know this?

    Gen
    I dont know about losing skills while in theater, but I was told that MDs only do a 3 month tour because the dont get paid as much being in the military as they do in their civilian jobs and it would be hard to retain physicians if they had to spend longer tours. Good or bad, It makes sense to me. As far as RNs and some PAs are concerned, my heart does go out to the PAs that spend a year in some isolated FOB with limited amenities out in the middle of no where having to practice medicine with limitied resources. A nice care package is always appreciated. As far a RNs go, the length of the tour isnt the issue, i never even mentioned that. My issue is when someone has a super big post exchange to go to where they can get all the nice things to eat and stuff. SO YEA, I DID KNOW IT...
  6. by   Gennaver
    Quote from patrick1rn
    I dont know about losing skills while in theater, but I was told that MDs only do a 3 month tour because the dont get paid as much being in the military as they do in their civilian jobs and it would be hard to retain physicians if they had to spend longer tours. Good or bad, It makes sense to me.
    ...
    While it may be easier for you to believe the negative "they only have to do three months because they are greedy rats..." It isn't what we are being taught in AMEDD OBLC. The instructors explicitly have stated that the MDs want to stay with their units but must return to avoid "Skill Degredation". So, possibly your bias needs an adjustment.

    Quote from patrick1rn
    As far as RNs and some PAs are concerned, my heart does go out to the PAs that spend a year in some isolated FOB with limited amenities out in the middle of no where having to practice medicine with limitied resources. A nice care package is always appreciated. As far a RNs go, the length of the tour isnt the issue, i never even mentioned that. My issue is when someone has a super big post exchange to go to where they can get all the nice things to eat and stuff. SO YEA, I DID KNOW IT...
    If the RNs going the length of the tour wasn't this issue, "yea, you did know..." then it wasn't easily deciphered from your letter because you lumped them in with the MDs, PAs and then immediately stated that your issue was the cushy three month tour and the posh exchange. However, I relate to your wishing they were on the line as many nurses I've met face to face have expressed the wish that they could be up there. However, they cannot as their equipment to care for the soldier is back just a bit further and they need those supplies and the "cushy" supplies in order to send them forward anyhow. So, I empathize that you are blaming RNs and MDs for having it so good, relatively, yet, just how far forward do you think they could bring their level of care and equipment? Also, just how far removed from supplies do you want them to be when it is the supplies they use to care for the soldiers? Think, before you reflexively want to blame medical people for "having it so good." They are there to care for and save the soldier, would you have them do it with no supplies?
    Gen-proud to care for soldiers
    p.s. you "do" know that you are grumbling about Military nurses ON a Military Nurses forum, right?
    Last edit by Gennaver on Oct 22, '07 : Reason: to add the p.s.
  7. by   patrick1rn
    Quote from Gennaver
    While it may be easier for you to believe the negative "they only have to do three months because they are greedy rats..." It isn't what we are being taught in AMEDD OBLC. The instructors explicitly have stated that the MDs want to stay with their units but must return to avoid "Skill Degredation". So, possibly your bias needs an adjustment.



    If the RNs going the length of the tour wasn't this issue, "yea, you did know..." then it wasn't easily deciphered from your letter because you lumped them in with the MDs, PAs and then immediately stated that your issue was the cushy three month tour and the posh exchange. However, I relate to your wishing they were on the line as many nurses I've met face to face have expressed the wish that they could be up there. However, they cannot as their equipment to care for the soldier is back just a bit further and they need those supplies and the "cushy" supplies in order to send them forward anyhow. So, I empathize that you are blaming RNs and MDs for having it so good, relatively, yet, just how far forward do you think they could bring their level of care and equipment? Also, just how far removed from supplies do you want them to be when it is the supplies they use to care for the soldiers? Think, before you reflexively want to blame medical people for "having it so good." They are there to care for and save the soldier, would you have them do it with no supplies?
    Gen-proud to care for soldiers
    p.s. you "do" know that you are grumbling about Military nurses ON a Military Nurses forum, right?
    Hey Gen, good morning and congrats and passing your boards, but lets get a couple of things straight ..

    1. I know this is a military forum for nurses...
    2. I have no issue with Rear Echelon care what so ever, during the war, I was so happy to send my wounded soldiers back to the rear for more intensive care.
    3. Lets not make this a personal issue, have you ever serviced in a combat zone ?
    4. I have done to combat tours myself, I know what I am talking about and I am still in the military.
    5. I say personalize a care package for someone in the desert, their is plenty of suncreen, insect repellent and a ton of baby wipes in Iraq and Afghanistan already.
    6.I have no bias towards any MD that does a 3 month tour. It is what it is.
    7. I am also a RN, working on my masters degree to be a Nurse Practitioner and I am still a combat medic on the side, so i know the best and worst of both worlds.
    8. I never blamed anyone for having it so good. Did I ? No.. All I said was that the rear echelon bases normally have PXs or more MWR stuff than the foward operating bases do.
  8. by   BULLYDAWGRN
    i think this post is getting far off from the original question asked. now we are taliking about who has what tour length and why and what fob/camp has a superwalmart. well anyway thanks meganny for thinking about the troops and trying to organize a treat for them..it's always nice to get things from home.
  9. by   Gennaver
    Quote from patrick1rn
    Hey Gen, good morning and congrats and passing your boards, but lets get a couple of things straight ..

    1. I know this is a military forum for nurses...
    2. I have no issue with Rear Echelon care what so ever, during the war, I was so happy to send my wounded soldiers back to the rear for more intensive care.
    3. Lets not make this a personal issue, have you ever serviced in a combat zone ?
    4. I have done to combat tours myself, I know what I am talking about and I am still in the military.
    5. I say personalize a care package for someone in the desert, their is plenty of suncreen, insect repellent and a ton of baby wipes in Iraq and Afghanistan already.
    6.I have no bias towards any MD that does a 3 month tour. It is what it is.
    7. I am also a RN, working on my masters degree to be a Nurse Practitioner and I am still a combat medic on the side, so i know the best and worst of both worlds.
    8. I never blamed anyone for having it so good. Did I ? No.. All I said was that the rear echelon bases normally have PXs or more MWR stuff than the foward operating bases do.

    Okeee dokee,

    Gotcha then,
    Gen
  10. by   navynurse06
    I just got back from deployment, and getting packages from home were always nice! I haven't read all the post so I might be repeating some things.
    Food: Stuff that doesn't melt or crush. Pringles don't ship very well...they end up all crushed. Dried fruits, beef jerky, trail mix, protien bars, the big packages of peanut butter crackers or whatever flavor. Crystal Lite single serve drink mix (the ones that you can just put in a bottle of h20 and shake up).
    Other stuff: Magazines (those where so nice to get), puzzle books, newspapers (it's just nice to see what's going on back home...afn isn't always the best source for news), books.
    I was on a ship so it wasn't as easy to buy things b/c the ship store didn't have a wide selection. However, for those deployed some where on land they have access to the NEX, PX and stores. But it's still nice to get packages, cards, and letters from home. It lets the service member know that they are special to someone and that they aren't forgotten about.

    ENS PM
  11. by   prmenrs
    If I was to send a care package to an anonymous someone in Iraq/Afghanistan, how would I do that? As in, how would I address it?
  12. by   patrick1rn
    http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/Am..._packages.html

    THis is a link to help you if you want to send a care package
  13. by   prmenrs
    Thanks!

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