Why many new grads don't find jobs.... - page 3

by MN-Nurse

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While eating breakfast at a local diner in my scrubs, my waitress was excited to share the news that she, "finished my CNA clinicals yesterday!!" "Great! How was it?" I asked. She starts nursing school soon. "Depressing,"... Read More


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    Quote from grownuprosie
    i had to have 40 hours to get my cna certificate. maybe it varies by state?
    i live in arizona and starting a cna course at my community college tomorrow and the program requires 28 hours in ltc, 42 hours in acute care, and 24 hours on-campus clinical. i am surprised that some states don't require clinical time. when do you learn the skills???

    job networking, experience, and increasing my comfort level around patients are all reasons why i'm doing the cna program and getting the certificate. i was also told by a friend who is an rn that it really helps in having a better relationship with your cna's and knowing how to delegate properly because you yourself know what it's like to work as one.
    Last edit by CinDRnyc on May 21, '12 : Reason: typo
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    Quote from RCBR

    This is a rather radical statement. Imagine a nursing grad with a BSN from a reputable university with a 3.8 GPA, extensive clinical rotations and superb faculty recommendations and another nursing grad from an obscure community college with a 2.2. GPA who failed several semesters and is on her 3rd attempt at the NCLEX but has 3 years of hospital experience as a tech. Who would you hire if you were the nursing manager?
    You nailed it. Absolutely agree. With BSN from good uni its the clinical references that count. If I wanted to do CNAs work I wouldnt have applied to BSN program
    macgirl, Wild Irish LPN, and Oppon262 like this.
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    Welcome to the entrance of the millennial generation into the work force. Too many young people these days expect to graduate and be given a five star job with the salary of someone who's been doing the job for 10+ years. New parents and people raising young children, take notice, there are negatives to telling your child they are amazing when they are not and rewarding your child's 12th place sports team with a trophy, it's called entitlement.
    mitral, PatMac10,RN, GrnTea, and 5 others like this.
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    commonsense, Please don't tell them. Their ridiculous expectations are my job security.
    ZombieMomma, green_girl, rubato, and 4 others like this.
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    "Challenging the state exam" is not such a big deal. It simply means You can get the CNA license simply by taking the same examination that everyone else takes, without completing a state approved course. You don't even have to be in first semester nursing school or have any medical experience at all to do this, just practice on your own. The written and clinical portions of the exam are still required to be taken. No clinicals i think refers to if you are asking for an endorsement, i.e you are already a CNA in another State and just moving to a new state. Here in Florida you can take the CNA test up to 3 times and of you fail the 3 rd time only then you will be required to take a state approved course.
    You do not need someone to tell you how to challenge the CNA, just go the your states official department of health website in the license section all the information is on there. like just google yourstate CNA.
    I'm just transitioning to nursing from a non-nursing career and my wife is a CNA,just got her first job after 2 years (well she was pregnant, so that was a 1 plus gone) and I'm gonna have her show me some tips, then I going to take the test and use CNA as a way to make the transition, only it sucks cause once I do become a CNA my pay will be cut in half but hopefully its for the greater good.
    To self train there's a bunch of CNA videos on youtube and google that shows how to do the skills part and a thread on allnurses also has videos.
    I don't know if this post was a question but for some,not all, I'm sure its a case of "beggars can't be choosers." in other words take what u can get, complain and stress about it for 1 year then move on with your new found EXPERIENCE...heck i'd mop and clean toilets in a hospital if it counts as hospital experience...lol maybe it won't count, but u get my point.
    As far as resumes a lot of people are forgetting we are in the electronic age...if your resume is missing keywords pertaining to your job, the computer will not select it in its initial search...or do people really think recruiters still sit and read all 500 plus applications that they receive on a daily basis. Search the internet and read up on resume keywords, find ways to stand out from the crowd.
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    Quote from windowrn
    While I agree that having a job in healthcare while in nursing school can be a great in for a job, I don't think this statement is true. There are absolutely reasons for a hiring manager to choose a new grad without experience over one who has experience in health care.
    I agree completely....I am about to graduate my program with very high reviews of my clinical performance, as well as the class Valedictorian....and I managed to di this without one minute as a CNA or in any other medical capacity....I was by far in the minority in my class, with most being former or current CNA's....I learned how vital of a role the CNA is in a facility, and have a tremendous amount of respect for them....that is very hard work, work that I had to learn while I learned the art of nursing....that is where my problem is, at least with the group of classmates that are CNA's....the problem is that they think and act as if they are still a CNA, not nursing students....they would rather chase a brief change or get a patient some water rather than practice their assessment skills, patient education and med knowledge....that isn't a criticism, it is a fact....hard habits are hard to break and while their intention and heart are totally in the right places, they have forgotten that they are nursing students first and foremost....having no habits to break, or a marriage to the CNA job itself has, in my opinion helped me a great deal....
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    People with this attitude give us nursing students a bad reputation! I am halfway through a 4-year BSN program and I owe a large amount of my success to my experience as a CNA. I have been working on a med-surg floor for the past year as a nursing assistant. I did not apply to a BSN program to keep from doing "CNA's work" and I hate when people say this!! I feel that my experience will make me a better nurse later on, and it has already helped me tremendously throughout my first year of nursing classes. One six hour day a week of clinicals with an instructor who has 7 other students to look after does not compare to working alongside the wonderful nurses at my facility for the past year. I am able to see the "real-life" version of what they tell us in nursing school and ask experienced nurses questions about the field of nursing. While I don't feel that it is absolutely crucial that nursing students work as an aide during school, I know that I will be much more prepared as a new nurse, and I hope it will give me an "edge" when I apply for my first job as an RN!
    krothardt, PatMac10,RN, gummi bear, and 1 other like this.
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    I am currently a student completing my prerequisites to get in to a BSN program this time next year. I also think experience plays a big advantage in pretty much any career field. I have been doing research to find a CNA program and I just can't seem to find one that looks good. Most of the CNA websites advertising their classes look tacky and possibly "fake". Could you give me some ideas of how to go about finding a program in my area? I'm also new on AllNurses, and I can't figure out how to post my own thread on here, do you mind telling me how to go about doing that?Thanks for your post!
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    Quote from pecanpies
    Just curious - what do you mean by "challenge the exam"? Maybe it's a state thing or I'm just having a burned-out-nursing-student-brain moment!
    When I was in school, becoming a CNA in Massachusetts meant 75 clinical hours and passing a written exam and a practical exam. A second-semester nursing student who got a letter from the head of the nursing department stating that they'd filled the clincal requirements could become an CNA by passing the practical exam.
    Last edit by Not_A_Hat_Person on May 21, '12
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    Quote from chels14
    One six hour day a week of clinicals with an instructor who has 7 other students to look after does not compare to working alongside the wonderful nurses at my facility for the past year.
    one six hour clinical per week, with 7 students?....really??....where in our universe does a school like this reside, I am dying to know....
    Last edit by TheCommuter on Jun 3, '12 : Reason: quotation blocks


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