That scary student has been reported again... - page 6
I know some thought I was wrong in reporting him but I did and my instructor was glad I did. This past weekend he was paired with yet another student and things didn't go well at all. I don't... Read More
0Mar 2, '07 by Race MomI don't know how much some of you lurk on these boards, but there are a HECK of a lot of threads talking about co-worker problems, manager problems, instructor problems, other students cheating, group presentation problems, etc, etc. Actually, I find those the most fun to read!!:lol_hitti
If you don't like the Days of Our Lives threads, then be careful when you click on a thread that clearly states it is about someone other than the poster themself.
Hey...the more abnormal people I hear about, the more normal I feel!!
And to Sarah M, um...ok. So, when will it become our duty to begin reporting unsafe practices we are witness to? Last test I took was testing my education for NURSING. All parts of it.Last edit by Race Mom on Mar 2, '07
0Mar 2, '07 by KathyzI thought this site was to vent our frustrations!
I started my first day ever of clinicals yesterday. Each of us had our own patient so I don't know how the others did. The instructors generally do walk around but they also visit with the nursing staff and do paperwork. It's virtually impossible for them to see everything. So it maybe that this instructor is completely clueless about this individual. It wouldn't surprise me!
If I did see a classmate doing or not doing something serious to a patient, however, I would report it to my instructor. Not knowing how to do an assessment is a pretty basic thing and it's a mystery why that hasn't caught up with him yet. (Except that he always partners w/ someone else.)
I think a lot of times schools just don't want to deal w/ kicking students out. It's easiest for them if the students flunk out via exams rather than say they didn't pass clinicals. I've heard of students at my school getting kicked out for giving meds w/out prior instructor consent and not being "therapeutic" with patients. Not everyone is meant to be an RN!
And even if this is termed "gossip", SAHStudent is trying to do it in a forum where no one knows this individual.
Good luck SAHStudent, and I hope you don't get stuck w/ him again!
0I just had a thought (yes you smelled something burning). Perhaps (and not necessarily in this case) we have a hard time getting along with people at work is because of the root problem: rapidly declining health care, increasing apathy on the part of admin and gov't, poor staffing, etc. There is not a whole lot we can do about the above - SOME we can do but not a whole lot. Playing "musical hospitals" just means "same stuff different badge".
So anyway - maybe we are taking out on each other our bad feelings, our anger and frustration, and looking to blame others instead of what is in our faces. Similar to an alcoholic family, where the kid acts out to distract from the actual problem of alcoholism.
I also think that as someone suggested we need to make sure we examine our own motives for reporting someone, and are WE up to snuff? DO we need to pay more attention to our own practice? Or, are there family issues or issues of transferance that we're bringing to work?
So, all of this, plus the fact that there are times when there are legitimate concerns about whether someone's practice is safe or not. And it does sound like the male student we're talking about is a person of concern.Last edit by Liddle Noodnik on Mar 2, '07 : Reason: had another thought ... OUCH!
0Mar 2, '07 by wildmountainchildZoeboboey has a good point. I think it's important to try to understand our own motivations for reporting someone. I know that in the past I alerted an instructor to a potential cheating situation.....I really had to think long and hard about why I had done that. It wasn't a black and white situation, there was a lot of gray involved, a teacher's assisstant was complicit in what was going on.
I had benefit from what was going on....I told the professor that part too. I don't think that in that situation that my motivations were entirely pure.
However, thinking about that situation helped me later on when a fellow student was found to be cheating by myself and a few other students. I wrote her an e-mail telling her about the reputation she was getting among her classmates, about how these classmates would be her co-workers in a few years and that she wouldn't want this reputation to follow her around. I told her to take my e-mail not as a criticism, but as an opportunity to change for the better and to grow as a human being.
I think it solved the situation in the best possible way. She knows that others are keeping an eye on her, but it also gave her a chance to redeem herself without having the professor become involved right away. Only the 3 of us involved in the situation know about it.
My motivation in that case were pure, but I learned form my previous experiences. The OP has now had the opportunity to learn from her experiences. And next time she runs into a similar situation she will consider her actions more seriously I'm sure.......such is life!
0Quote from wildmountainchildSounds great... I alerted an instructor to a potential cheating situation..... I had benefit from what was going on....I told the professor that part too. I don't think that in that situation that my motivations were entirely pure...
However, thinking about that situation helped me later on when a fellow student was found to be cheating by myself and a few other students. I wrote her an e-mail
Of course there are those who would get angry and defensive in response to the email, at least you would have tried. It's a brave thing to do ...
0Mar 2, '07 by IrishIzCPNP, BSN, MSN, RN, APRN, NPIf I ever run across somebody who is down right not safe I will report them again.
There are people in the class that I can't stand. There are 2 that know it all...literally they know everything. They drive me (and many others) nuts...but I would never report them unless they did something grossly negligent. I have no bad intentions against this other student. I have no reason to dislike him...hence why I always start with "I'm sure he's a really nice guy but...". My intentions reporting him were solely due to his actions.
In all likelihood I would probably still discuss things with those that I'm really close with. I have not announced to the class what has happened. I have spoken with those I'm really close with. There are a lot of people who have no idea what is going on. I consider these people my friends and I feel safe going to them as I believe they feel safe going to me.
0Mar 2, '07 by SC2006So does this mean when you eventually graduate from nursing school and are on the floor and you see another nurse doing very wrong to a patient, you will not report it. It obviously isn't your job because after all there is a charge nurse? As fas as i know we are obligated by law to tell if we saw wrong doing to a patietn. If you don't you could be just as guilty as that person. Just trying to get you to see it from a different point of view.
0Mar 2, '07 by IrishIzCPNP, BSN, MSN, RN, APRN, NPQuote from SC2006So does this mean when you eventually graduate from nursing school and are on the floor and you see another nurse doing very wrong to a patient, you will not report it. It obviously isn't your job because after all there is a charge nurse? As fas as i know we are obligated by law to tell if we saw wrong doing to a patietn. If you don't you could be just as guilty as that person. Just trying to get you to see it from a different point of view.
Ah I think you misread my post. I said if I found somebody not safe I would report. I have always said I would report. There are many others who said I shouldn't have reported this student.
I would always report a nurse that is clearly not safe.
0Mar 2, '07 by SC2006I'm sorry that post was not meant for you, it was meant for those people who said that they would not report.
0Mar 3, '07 by ragssah, "as a nursing student i have as much responsibility as anyone else on that floor. [color=#990000]~ no you don't ~ i am worried about other students. i worry about those who i know are having a tough time and are wonderful people, i worry about the girl with a problem with her ankle because she's worried, i worry about another girl who had some surgeries and has a lot of make up time to do, i worry about another guy in class because his health could be better...i worry about them because i care. i worry about a student who i feel is a danger because i care." [color=#990000]~ that all sounds very nice. however, from what you have demonstrated here you intentions are not so golden as you make them sound. xxx
sah, "i reported the student. i was asked about what was going on because i was obvious bothered by the events. the people who asked were my friends." [color=#990000]~ that is not 'reporting' . reporting would have been to the instructor rather than you fellow students
sah, "again...i thought this board was for support, a sounding board and not always completely formal. apparently this isn't a friendly board to just discuss nursing school things in general. this board is apparently very formal and strict topic. i didn't realize it. i simply wrote about it to get it off my chest, to share, to relieve the stress of a horrible day. i won't make that mistake again. i will stick to non personal, non friendly posts only."
[color=#990000]sah. what others have tried to express to you (that you refuse to see) is that you are a student. you are not yet a nurse, a staff member of the hospital, or the other students advisor. yes. you have some (very little really) responsibility at clinical but only for your own actions or for reporting gross safety issues. and those would actually need to be reported to the hospital don as well with a varience filed. that type of problem is not what you have listed about this other student. if i remember correctly you were very upset because he disagreed with you on how to measure the urine when the bag was drained. not life threatening. you also felt he should have had his glasses on all the time rather then let them hang around his neck. he pulled up the wrong dose of a medication that the instructor caught. xxxx that's why you guys are still students! even though this may come as a blow to your ego, you do not yet have the knowledge base to judge your fellow students. instructors have master's degrees in nursing. you have no degree of any kind in nursing yet. trust me, if the instructor doesn't see everything and he is truly as unsafe as you feel he is then the nclex will get him anyway.
xxxx ..xxxx ..xxxxx if you have a true vent that really does involve a stressful frustration you want to get off your chest... great! let us build your moral back up and keep you going so you can get through nursing school...xxxx... xxxx... need advise about an assignment or nursing school in general. wonderful. we're there 100%. need to understand a certain topic just a bit better or want something explained in a different way for you? we love to help with that too! bad day of clinical (because it was your bad day at clinical) come and let us help you look at it in a different light to relieve some of the stress that goes with the territory. no problem!
ragsLast edit by sirI on Mar 3, '07 : Reason: TOS
0Mar 3, '07 by sirI, MSN, APRN, NP AdminAdvocacy: active verbal support for a cause or position
Advocate: somebody who acts or intercedes on behalf of another
This thread has been educational regarding the above terms. To serve as patient advocate is what we as nurses do. This moral/ethical ability is something we hone and develop as students and as seasoned nurses.
Thread has served its useful purpose and is now closed.