Nursing Students Shafted

  1. After reading several messages here I've come to the conclusion that we nursing students have to work twice as hard as someone who is getting their degree in another field like accounting, computers, business, basket weaving...etc.

    Take for instance the school I attend. Before I was even able to apply for the nursing program I had to take the following classes:

    Intro to Health Careers
    English I
    Biology I
    A&P I
    Social Science I
    Intro to Psychology
    Chemistry I

    And these classes don't even count towards your degree. Besides the actual nursing classes the only classes to go towards you degree are:

    English II
    Social Science II
    A&P II
    Micro Biology
    American History
    Computer Information Systems For Health Careers
    Electives (6 CR)

    Then it gets worse right now I'm taking "Nursing 101" which is 8.5 credit hours but yet I'm at school or clinical rotations for a total of 17 hours per week.

    So if you add up all the time spent at school you would have enough credit hours for a 4 year degree.

    Well enough ranting.... I just wanted to point out how special we are buy having to work twice as hard to acheive our goals.
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  2. 31 Comments

  3. by   sunnygirl272
    hee heee hee..get used to it, babe...after ya graduate, you will work twice as hard to earn half as much as those professional underwater basket weavers...
  4. by   Thendar
    Darn

    I knew I should have gotten my degree in "Underwater Basket Weaving"

    It would look so good on my resume.
  5. by   kittyw
    yeah, but I'm going for the "advanced" upside-down underwater basket weaving degree.
  6. by   MK2002
    Computers? Are you joking?!

    I completed a Bachelor of Science in Computer Science. This was real CS, not that phony Computer Information Systems stuff. If you want work, there is FAR MORE of it in CS. Be glad you do not have to suffer through...

    University Physics for Scientists and Engineers I and II
    Calculus I, Calculus II, Calculus III
    Chemistry for Scientists and Engineers I
    Discrete Mathematics
    Advanced Discrete Mathematics
    Biology I
    Statistics I, Statistics II
    French I, French II

    And by the way, I had an average degree program in CS. Some CS degree programs have more prerequisites. Like a full year of Ordinary Differential Equations and other time consuming courses. Or a full year of Chemistry.

    Those are the FEW that I remember while just trying to write a quick post. Of course there were many more DIFFICULT courses in the major. Don't even waste your time listing those easy English, social science, and history prerequisites. I completed plenty of them. CS students just spend a few minutes on them and typically get an 'A'. The real work in other courses is far more difficult. I have a long list of those that I will not even attempt to record here.

    Accounting can be quite difficult also. You do not know what real work is until you have tried one of these majors. I can tell you plenty of stories, such as spending 8 - 12 hours every Saturday writing a lab report for a Digital Circuits course. Or having to research a programming technique for my class in Introduction to Artificial Intelligence taught by a professor from MIT. Good thing I only went to a state university. I would not want to think about how much work would be required at a private institution.

    Compared to what I went through with CS, getting a BSN will be a breeze. Work twice as hard? Sorry, but you have no idea what real work is.
    Last edit by MK2002 on Oct 29, '02
  7. by   Mkue
    A girl in my class swears she will "drive an ice cream truck" if she doesn't pass:chuckle
  8. by   MK2002
    Her plans might not work out well at this time of year. Besides, I think all those Good Humor ice cream truck drivers are men, aren't they?
  9. by   Thendar
    Originally posted by MK2002

    University Physics for Scientists and Engineers I and II
    Calculus I, Calculus II, Calculus III
    Chemistry for Scientists and Engineers I
    Discrete Mathematics
    Advanced Discrete Mathematics
    Biology I
    Statistics I, Statistics II
    French I, French II
    While your list of accomplishments is most impressive, I was comparing 2 year degrees. I agree with you that at a university level computer science is quite rigorous, but at the community college level I could get a degree in computers in my sleep.
    Accounting can be quite difficult also. You do not know what real work is until you have tried one of these majors. I can tell you plenty of stories, such as spending 8 - 12 hours every Saturday writing a lab report for a Digital Circuits course.
    I don't know of any accountants that design digital circuits.
    Sorry, but you have no idea what real work is.
    How could you possibly know what I consider real work, you don't even know me. I could post all of the other classes that I've taken which were as equally demanding as any you listed above, but I just listed the ones the pertained to the nursing program.

    Have a nice day:kiss
  10. by   MK2002
    I meant that Accounting is equally difficult with a lot of required classes.

    As for the real work, it is obvious from my post that this refers to the quantity of courses and their difficulty level.

    Also, as someone else pointed out, the greater challenge comes AFTER school. If you think you have a difficult time now, just wait until later.
  11. by   colleen10
    Hi Thendar,

    I kind of get what you are saying. I have a degree in Agricultural Science and what always got me was that I had to take tons of Science classes with Labs. I would get a measly extra credit for spending 4-5 hours in lab each week.

    And, it cost me so much more to go to school and took longer too. That is compared to all my friends who were non-science majors.

    But I'll give everyone their props. It's a matter of how you look at it. A 2 year Computer Science degree might be a breeze but I doubt I would do well in it as I have no interest or desire to learn anything about computers.
  12. by   NurseDennie
    MK2002, I couldn't disagree with you more! You're looking at another computers to nursing change, and yeah, I've got the older computer science - from Purdue no less. That's a full-fledged engineering program. After that, I took a lot of courses in psych in order to study artificial intelligence. I've also studied the physics of chaos, and although I didn't study accounting for a degree, I have a couple of those courses under my belt as well.

    Know what? Nursing is WAY harder. The courses are harder, the work is more difficult, and the concepts are more difficult. Plus, once you get the concepts, then you have to deal with the uncertanties and differences in actual clinical practice. Take it from me. My classes in psych nursing were WAY harder than the classes in psych.

    Yeah, I sat there for hours and hours writing programs, debugging, etc. That was before the days of PC's so I was in the lab, writing in COBOL or one of those other Completely Obsolete Bad Old Languages, AND dealing with the stupid punch card machines, toting around the bleeding cards. But I've also sat up until all hours of the morning before clinicals, writing care plans, looking up drugs and trying to figure out WHY somebody is taking this or that. One lady that I took care of on the hospital floor was taking incredibly large amounts of vitamin C. The only rationale I could come up for that was her doc wanted her to produce extremely expensive urine.

    Computers are easy. Numbers are easy. Physics is easy. PEOPLE ARE HARD!!!!!! Yeah, you'll be learning about some drugs and about some diseases, and about body systems, etc. But mostly you'll be learning about how to deal with people. It's not that you know so much about pneumonia, but how is THIS person doing to deal with HIS pneumonia, and how is HIS family going to be helping/hindering his efforts?

    The only "B" I ever got in my previous life was in..... English 101. But in nursing, I graduated with a relatively high "B" average and was bloody grateful for that!

    Love

    Dennie
  13. by   studentdeb
    I began going to school for accounting and accounting can be very tough. You do have to spend alot of hours to get it right. My husband has his degree in Business specializing in Accounting and he worked hard for it.

    I do agree though that nursing students spend more hours for one class. The first clinical course in my program is about 15 hours a week with the lecture, lab and clinical. This is what makes being a nursing student so difficult because you also have to spend alot of time studying all the material. One other thing that makes it hard is the grading scale. Our school for a C in the nursing courses, you have to to get 78% - 83% or you are out. That raises the stress levels also.

    I think any program one attempts to go for has it's ups and downs and levels of difficulty.

    Hang in there, that is what we are all trying to do, it seems.
  14. by   Thendar
    Can we please end this thread... or at least change it's direction.

    My intent was to boost morale amongst those nursing students that are having a tough time; it wasn't to attack other professions.

    This isn't an accounting site.

    This isn't a computer science site.

    This isn't even a basket weaving site.

    This site is for past, present and future NURSES

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