BA to ADN to MSN?
- 0I already have a BA and am going back to school to get my ADN. Is it possible to go straight in to a master's program without getting my BSN? Thanks!
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- 0Jul 29, '09 by LifelongDreamI understand your wanting to get your MSN, but have you thought about an accelerated BSN? I had my BS in Biology and went to the Second Degree BSN Program through Texas Tech Health Sciences Center. We finished in 12 months (Started Aug. 13th last year and finish Aug. 7th this year! That way, you end up with your RN/BSN in one year and you can get a little experience with a bigger check! Then, I think it would be much easier to go on for your Masters! Just a thought. Good luck.
- 0Hi elguezsm, yup, I've thought of that. I applied to a few 2nd degree programs. I actually almost, almost (so close) moved to DC (I'm from CA) to attend one there, but I just last week decided not to move and instead attend a community college near where I live. The thought of possibly having $80,000 of debt hanging over my head was unbearable. How did you like your program? Did you feel it went to quickly or was it ok? BTW, congrats on just graduating!!! Awesome!!
- 0Jul 29, '09 by LifelongDreamsholmsen,
I loved, LOVED my program. I had attended one semester of traditional nursing school when I was 19. I was a great student, studied hard, graduated a year early from high school... But I still felt like I was barely keeping my head above water and it felt as if they were trying really hard to get rid of people. I found out I was pregnant with my daughter in November and that was the straw that broke the camel's back! I withdrew and went on to the university to get my BS in Biology. I taught for five years and heard about this program. I never wanted to quit nursing school, but at the time, I was emotionally and physically exhausted and it didn't seem worth it.
I heard about Texas Tech's program last February and realized I only needed the CNA class, the nutrition, and pathophysiology. I knocked them out in summer school and applied in May (before my summer classes). I was accepted in June and I started in August. The program is about $20,000, BUT I got student loans to pay for it. It was totally worth it. I will make up that much in my first 6 months of working!
NOW, to address you question "Did I like the program?". My answer is absolutely yes! Granted there were one or two instructors that didn't grade anything... the whole time we were in theirclass and waited two weeks after classes to post grades, but they weren't on the classes that were the main ones, so I didn't stress over it. The instructors all carry school issued cell phones and they are totally okay with you calling them until 9 or 10pm at night if you have any questions. In addition, they don't seem to be "Out to Get You!". They are respectful of the fact that you were smart enough and mature enough to get your first degree and just maybe you might have a lick of sense! If you are considering this school, I would say without an ounce of hesitation, GO FOR IT.
The program is offered in several locations that start at different times: Austin/ElPaso admit Spring semester and Abilene,Permian Basin (Odessa/Midland), and Lubbock admit Fall semester. Here's the website if you want to look into it a little more!
- 2Oct 31, '09 by mmm333First of all, there is a big difference between the following:
1) Entry MSN (non-nurses with no license who want to enter nursing and get their MSN all at once)
2) RN>MSN (licensed nurses who have an ADN and want the MSN, + maybe "pick up their BSN" along the way)
3) BARN>MSN (licensed RNs who have a BA or BS degree who want to pursue their MSN next)
I believe that those with a BA should not pursue a BSN. One or two bachelor's degrees is enough. What really matters is that RNs have the right preparation for the MSN. ADN nurses do not have the background in public health/community nursing, theory, and research that BSNs have. Other areas might be advanced physical assessment, pharmacology, computer/informatics, etc. Because of this, most RN>MSN programs require a little "patch-up" work that basically brings the BA-RN up to snuff with the BSN folks, before they can begin the MSN work.
So if you are a BA-RN you should be looking into a good public/community health nursing course, since this is the most common prereq that you'll have to fill. In all,it looks like about 1 semester of undergrad work. If you do a BSN it could take 9-12 months full time to do a "completion" or "2nd degree program". These seem to me like a waste of 6 months that does not recognize the work you did to get a bachelor's degree. Nursing is peculiar in its sometimes disparaging view of other disciplines of study. For example, some schools websites claim that a BSN is required as a prereq to their MSN program.
The only reason I can see for doing BA>ADN>BSN that is to achieve much higher pay scales (you are at a glass ceiling now and need that BSN) OR you need a BSN pronto in order to become a military nurse (the military requires its officers/leaders to have a bachelor's at minimum since man enlisted have their associate's- they generally don't take ADN nurse officers unless they are already enrolled in a BSN program which is rare, they want to see at least a BA+RN before making you an officer in order to justify you being placed in charge of *managing* enlisted troops in addition to being a nurse). Military nurse are both nurses and leaders/managers "from the git go". Anyway... BA>ADN>BSN>MSN seems like a 5-legged dog. BA>ADN>MSN is a trimmer approach.
ANA/NLNAC and those such organizations are the ones who recommend what the novice ADN (basic skills), the BSN (+public health and limited research), and the expert MSN nurse (research, heavy theory, specialized focus, etc) should be prepared for by education. You can research this if you want to know their rationale. The Gold standard is the MSN and the profession wants the MSN to be the only path of entry into nursing in the distant future. It's happening slower due to the shortage, though. What should matter to the BA>RN is "do I have the knowledge and skills to pursue grad study?". If you do the patch-up work and have a little work experience, it should be no big deal to anybody whether you have a BSN on top of your BA.
At issue here is whether the BA-RN should spend an additional 6-12 or more months getting a redundant bachelor's degree before pursuing their MSN. My answer is "no".
- 0Oct 31, '09 by mmm333each msn program is different, but as an example, this faq from san jose state university explains that msn applicants with rn lic.+ ba only have to take several courses (not have a bsn) in order to enter msn study:
can i be admitted into the masterís in nursing program if my undergraduate bachelorís degree is not in nursing?answeryes, only if you have a ca rn license and a bachelorís degree in other field, you can be admitted with conditions. the conditions include successfully passing the following four courses with a b or better: nurs 127b (community nursing theory), nurs 147b (community practicum), nurs 137 (nursing process), and nurs 128 (nursing research). you will also need to meet the writing competency requirements of the wst and hp 100w writing course, and you must also have a statistics class within the last 3 years and an economics course equivalent to econ1a.