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I am posting to this forum to tell a looong story and would appreciate any feedback if there are ANY other nursing schools who do what happened to me. In my school there is great anxiety and tension because we have a skills performance at the end of the semester that turns the course in to a PASS/FAIL, regardless of your grades or clinical performance. The way it works is that after a lecture in lab, we are shown a skill. We then self teach and practice and we have to obtain 2 peer reviews. Next, we go to get the skill checked off by a lab instructor. Next, we have an appointment with one of the nursing instructors and they then check us off. At this point, this makes 4 check offs. We spend the next 8 or so weeks in clinical (med-surg) where we perform these skills countless times on patients. Each week we are evaluated for our clinical performance and you can receive either a U (unsatisfactory), NI (Needs Improvement) or S (Satisfactory). There is no grading scale where points are given, then added up to calculate a grade. I was checked off by both instructors, passed clinical and was carrying a B average by the last week of school.

Here is where the problem exists and I hope I don't confuse anyone. The faculty schedules a 'final' skills evaluation which is 2 hours long and the student goes in with very little knowledge of what to expect to do during the 2 hours. We have to use equipment that has been used countless times (i.e-syringes, catheters) and they are usually packaged poorly etc. making it hard to remain sterile. It starts with 'verbal report' on 3 patients (the dummies in the lab) and then you start your 'shift'. Throughout the entire 2 hours the instructor changes orders, gives verbal lab values and interrupts the student. It is nerve wracking because we get so NERVOUS because it is a PASS/FAIL. We get 2 trys and my second attempt was the week before my final. The particular instructor I had has only taught for 3 months and she put me through the ringer. She was my clinical instructor and watched me perform countless PAC Accesses and that is what she failed me for. She handed me a 2 lumen and I have never used one, or seen one!, and due to my nerves I screwed it up. And so, that's it!! I failed my entire semester ONE WEEK BEFORE THE FINAL. With a B average and after passing clinicals and doing this skill more than any other skill this semester on real people. As I said above, there is no point system. You make a mistake, you fail. When this occurs, the student is not allowed to complete final tests and I received an E on my transcript, financial aid is threatening to lower my aid and I've lost a grant I was receiving which was the only way I could afford to pay for my kids afterschool care. I now have a 2.6 GPA and I started out with a 3.97 I'm soooo devastated and it was a tough X-mas emotionally trying to stay 'happy' for 4 kids and a husband. I'm appealing but this school has been doing this for years. I hired a lawyer (LIKE I CAN AFFORD THAT!) to take me through the appeals because this school seems quite corrupt. What they expect me to do is repeat the entire semester for 1 minute of my life because the instructor gave me a piece of equipment I had never used. It will set me back another year and I was supposed to graduate in May.

Their tradition of this 'final' skills eval makes no sense to me and I was wondering if anyone out there has ever heard of such a thing. It would be appreciated because I passed these skills TWICE before (In Aug, and Sept) performed them on people and failed the week before the end of the semester. Any advice would help. Thanks.

To Lizz:

Yes I have documentation, thank God!! Document, Document!! Here is what they do though: When you go in for your check off, they ask you for your skills check off and you don't get it back. Well, this instructor, who has only worked there for 3 months, didn't ask for it. So I have it. I had made a photo copy but wanted the original. It is crazy, this school. I can't believe they have gotten away with it this long. It makes no sense to check you off countless times and then continue to do it until someone fails.

To Lizz:

Yes I have documentation, thank God!! Document, Document!! Here is what they do though: When you go in for your check off, they ask you for your skills check off and you don't get it back. Well, this instructor, who has only worked there for 3 months, didn't ask for it. So I have it. I had made a photo copy but wanted the original. It is crazy, this school. I can't believe they have gotten away with it this long. It makes no sense to check you off countless times and then continue to do it until someone fails.

Do you also have documentation of the failed skill test? Because you don't want them claiming you failed the final clinical test on something else ... which, they might do if they are as corrupt as you suspect.

I'd go for it ... see if you can find an attorney who would take this on contingency. If they're delaying your graduation for a year, you can claim lost income for an entire year which, in most places would be at least $50K in damages. That ... combined with the lost financial aide and grant money ... could make the case worthwhile for a contingency fee.

The attorney would get 1/3 of the damages plus costs but, at least you wouldn't have to pay any fees up front.

Also: have you considered filing a complaint with the BON? With documentation of this kind, seems like they might want to check this out.

I actually think it's very good that you had this same teacher as your clinical instructor ... if she passed you on the same skill then failed you ... it's a much better case than, if you had passed earlier with a different teacher ...

It raises more doubt about this particular instructor ... if you know what I mean. Why pass then fail you if she was your instructor the whole time? It basically means she also failed as a teacher.

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I do not have a copy of the last clinical test. They keep that SURPRISE!!. But the good thing (I pray) is that if this hits the newspapers and I sue there will be people crawling out of the woodwork that this has happened to. This is a very small community and I believe that is why people don't speak out about it. There is not another college for many miles. The fear in these students is CREEPY. I've been to bigger colleges and have never seen anything like it. Terrible, terrible environment and I don't believe is is fair and just practice to check off AGAIN the week before final after previous success.

I have a lawyer who has helped me through the beginning stages of an appeal but the school has done a good job of delaying a resolution (for example, the chair of the department (who claims she can't override a decision made by an instructor-an example of their corruption) has 15 days to respond to my appeal. The first letter she received was from my lawyer and she SENT IT BACK SAYING I NEEDED TO WRITE IT. They are playing games which is not surprising from a department that fails a student before final and 3 weeks after the end of clinical. She has until January 3rd. Anyway, I can't afford my lawyer much longer so if anyone knows of a contingency lawyer who would take this I would greatly appreciate it.

Specializes in Hemodialysis/Oncology/Cardiac Tele/DOU.

GEEZ! I am sooo sorry for what you have experienced. I don't know what state you are in, I'm in CA. If I understand this correctly the program that you are in has a pass/fail policy. The instructor sounds, for lack of a better term, to be in the wrong profession. First be very discreet about any type of recourse, especially right now. Do not let your intentions be known as this will only lead to their ability to prepare for it. I wish I could just speak to you, my typing is not as fast as I'd like it to be. What I might consider doing with computer access and all, is to go online and inquire about your school's nursing program. Obviously do not state who you are or that you have even ever attended that institution. Go in as though you are considering attending and want to get as much information about their Nursing Program as you can, to enable you to make a final decision between their program and another that is very similar. (No need to mention any names.) Inquire about everything that you want to know, including their disciplinary process. Remember not the College's Policies as those are general. You want to keep your inquiry focused on the Nursing Program. You have every right as a student to know these, but by the time we've been accepted to the program, the sense of "I AM SO HAPPY!" over-rides our normally inquisitive brains. We feel privileged! I HAVE FINALLY MADE IT! "They have accepted me!" First,you have worked beyond what those who have not experienced, will understand. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT EARNED THAT PLACE IN THAT PROGRAM! YOU!! You have sacrificed many things to get there. You are not a failure. You hang in there. Keep your cards close to your chest. Don't let them see your hand. DANG IT! I hope this will help. I will keep you in my prayers. If I can be of any assistance please don't hessitate to ask!

Thank you brattyone and everyone! I have all of the rules and regs from the agency which overrides all of the colleges where I am at because I started seeing this in 1st semester and knew that it was wrong. So, one of the things I started looking into is the academic rules and my lawyer and I found loopholes in their VAGUE syllabus. Hopefully that works; however, they are so corrupt who knows what they will try. Two other girls failed and they were told that the ONLY appeal they could submit was to the nursing committee. SUCH A LIE. There is a College Appeals Board if the individual college does not give you a satisfactory resolution. It is so scary at this school. In other semesters they failed people due to their final exam. Problem is that they refuse the student the right to view their final and considering the other ways they fail people it is questionable if some of these people actually failed. BOTH of the students who failed alongside me went before the board and were refused re-admission. One of them failed for theory but she had been diagnosed with diabetes and high blood pressure this semester and the other failed for the same reason I did. They both contacted the director of the program and were told that she 'did not have to give them a reason for their denial for re-admission". And that is that in this school. I hope they fight it alongside me because there is power in numbers but they are devastated right now and come from this small country community where people don't speak out. I chose not to go before the board because I could not bring myself to admit failing when I carried a B, passed my check offs and did great in clinical. I could not sit there like my fellow students and take responsibility for a ridiculous tradition where your success is determined (in my case, by a woman with no teaching experience (this was her first semester)) by a subjective call as to my abilities. Another problem is when they schedule these evals. The original 2 are at the beginning of the semester-which makes sense because you need to be efficient before going into clinicals. If you don't practice and don't know what you are doing-so be it, you can withdraw and save your GPA. But they wait until the end to do it again when it is past the withdrawal date and you get an automatic E. During the semester we had accumulated at this point close to 1000 total points of which I had enough for a B and on this day it became a PASS/FAIL with all of the points I worked my BUTT off for just gone. The girl who failed for her grades has a better GPA than me because she passed her skills so she got a D on her transcript. It is crazy and I am so upset. I pray I win and they have to change their ways. I don't want to see anymore people go out this way.

I would suggest you and your attorney peruse several articles. Perhaps they will shed light on where "academic freedom" ends and rights under the 14th Amendment begin...

Grade disputes: Considerations for nursing faculty

Paula Boley; Karen Whitney

Journal of Nursing Education; May 2003; 42, 5; CINAHL® - Database of Nursing and Allied Health Literature

pg. 198

Legal Aspects of Grading and Student Progression

EILEEN R. CHASENS, DSN, RN,* DIANE D. DEPEW, DSN(C), RN,†

KELLY A. GOUDREAU, DSN, RN, CS,‡ AND CAROLYN S. PIERCE, MS, RN

Journal of Professional Nursing, Vol 16,No 5 ( September-October), 2000: pp 267-272

Wow, this is terrible! If I were you, I would definitely fight this any way I could. I would aim for getting credit for the semester and getting my GPA back and then transfer to another school as fast as possible. I wish you the best! I'm so sorry this happened to you!

That is my first priority----salvaging my GPA, hopefully because I worked so hard and wanted to go on and get my BA and then my Master's. That won't be happening with a 2.6 that they left me with.

MESSAGE TO JOV: Can I access these articles online ?? Do you know of any others?

Specializes in geriatric, hospice, med/surg.

Wow! Seems a bit stringent, to say the least. I wish you luck in your endeavors to rectify the situation.

MESSAGE TO JOV: I found the articles and paid to download them. I am about to read them. I hope they help. Thanks.

Specializes in Hemodialysis/Oncology/Cardiac Tele/DOU.

Hey. I am very troubled by your current situation. You may want to give The American Nurses Association a try.I know that they have student members. I cannot find that web address at the moment. When I do I will get it to you. YOU HANG IN THERE!!!

Thank you! How would the ANA be able to help? I wasn't aware that they assist students. Thanks for any information!

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