WBC 19, Lactic Acid 3.2, but not septic?

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    by Apr 12, '10
    My patient came into the hospital with hypotension and r/o sepsis. SBP 69, WBC 19, Lactic Acid 3.2, HR 90's in chronic Afib, RR 20, afebrile. There did not appear to be any infection. She has a cocktail of PMH including CHF, DM, home 02...etc. They think that after her OP doc added another diuretic she went hypotensive. Once her BP was stable they were ready to let her go. Her WBC's did come down to 13 the next day before discharge.

    I'm thinking the LA perhaps was high due to dehydration following rapid diuresis. But would the LA be that high? Would this elevate the WBC's? I was thinking he might take a closer look for an infection source but the doc seemed happy with sending her out. Any thoughts?
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  3. Apr 13, '10 by
    When you say "There did not appear to be any infection..." can you elaborate? Were blood cultures performed? Urinalysis? Stool sample for CDiff toxins? Any wounds? The WBC was 19, but what was the differential? As for the lactic acid, Mosby's Diagnostic and Lab Test Reference says that (in addition to shock states, and tissue hypoxia) diabetes can increase lactic acid. Severe liver disease can as well. Perhaps her DM was a factor. What other signs and symptoms was she exhibiting on admission? Any recent trauma? As for the leukocytosis, obviously infection can cause it, but so can inflammation, leukemia, trauma, tissue necrosis, and various types of stress. Whatever caused the hypotension (diuresis, or her heart failure itself or both) could have put her into hypovolemic shock and that could account for the elevated LA level and the leukocytosis (from physiologic "stress).
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  4. Apr 13, '10 by
    http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/lactic-acid

    Some information on lactic acid.

    Also if her white count decreased that much without the use of anti-microbials, that may have lead them to believe that it was a stress reaction as well.

    She doesn't really present with all the classic signs/symptoms of sepsis (fever or low temp, tachycardia, tachypnea...) Really just that pesky blood pressure, white count and lactic acid level.
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  5. Apr 13, '10 by
    No BC or other tests to r/o infection.

    I understand that LA can be elevated for many reasons. Just wondering from those of you out there who have seen a lot of it if 3.2 makes senses... that is not exactly a small bump. I've seen an elevated LA for other reasons, but they were all just a bit elevated. Anything I've seen over about 2 has been in conjunction with sepsis. But that is why I'm asking b/c I haven't seen all that many.

    You are probably right about the WBC and the stress rxn b/c they came right down.

    oh.. not only is she diabetic but on metformin, which can elevate LA... but really, that much?
  6. Apr 13, '10 by
    I was just going to ask if your pt was on metformin for the DM! That is one of the serious side effects of taking metformin - how was the kidney and liver function?
  7. Apr 13, '10 by
    Also, did they check cardiac enzymes, EKG?
  8. Apr 13, '10 by
    Quote from Softballmama
    I was just going to ask if your pt was on metformin for the DM! That is one of the serious side effects of taking metformin - how was the kidney and liver function?
    Both kidney and liver function were fine.
  9. Apr 13, '10 by
    Quote from Softballmama
    Also, did they check cardiac enzymes, EKG?
    Cardiac enzymes were fine. Don't know if an EKG was done in ER or not. Not done after she came to me.
  10. Apr 13, '10 by
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    She doesn't really present with all the classic signs/symptoms of sepsis (fever or low temp, tachycardia, tachypnea...) Really just that pesky blood pressure, white count and lactic acid level.
    Just a side point. I mildly disagree with this statement. Those factors alone are enough to initiate a protocoled sepsis screening in many EDs, including ours. Also, the RR 20 would be borderline in such a case, not ignored. And the PMHx would be a factor, too.

    Of course, medicine isn't a cookbook discipline. That's why the doc didn't Dx sepsis in the end. But this patient would certainly have had my alarm bells going for sepsis 'till proven otherwise. All that was missing here was something like 'elderly' and 'diff. urinating', or 'altered mental status'.
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  11. Apr 13, '10 by
    We have a sepsis screening tool. She was positive for SIRS but because she didn't have a known/suspected infection and wasn't on an antibiotic. Therefore on paper it didn't go any further... but paper has it's limits. Not to mention we didn't look very hard to see if there was an infection. With a LA of 3.2 I thought I would bounce it off of you fine folks