unprotected sex # 2.........

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    am i beatin'a dead horse...........

    found this wave of thought rather mindbending and rather emotional laid............but nobobody ever took it back up after brian put an end to the "war of words" that is had become.....

    of which.......Brian.....I totally understand.....and stand BEHIND.........

    so now my thoughts for reopening this thought process.........

    1) .....................................
    2) who you are or aren't attracted to is probably more in your bloodlines than in your thought processess any.........(i.e. genetic disposition/etc...........anyway).........
    3) i may be be attracted to a her or a him or an it...........but that doesn't define me..............."

    so what is my reason for reopening this thought process of mine and then putting it here in threads....

    and because sensuality and sexuality is part of the human condition..........................

    but more and far more than that..................
    unprotected sex.....eeeeeeeeek! #1 started out talking about just that and pregnancy.........
    then went from that to abstinence(ck splg)
    then from that....
    then that was about the time that I had attended an AIDS workshop.............and i interjected my .02...

    reason/thought processes for reopening here.....convulated as with anything regarding sexuality this topic so taboo....

    abstinence of course for young teenagers.....but is that reality.....
    please teach protection.........there is much out there to fear.....
    HIV, AIDS, Hepatitis, STD's, fatal diseases...................
    the news of AIDS research is both good and not good at all.....
    (and I am in no way an expert here.....just a workshop attendee and back the research.........it has came strides)
    GOOD NEWS-----people are actually starting to live with AIDS, not just die from it
    BAD NEWS----it is out there and in epidemic proportions.....folks.........it is not going away anytime soon.....

    thoughts anybody?

    then change my thought process and ??? to you all...

    would you find out your HIV status if you could and it was free and confidential........please don't all jump up and raise hands.....

    How does it affect you when you care for patients with AIDS.....do you treat them any differently than your other patients.......
    is there a stigma out there still..........the answer is yes.....sad to say.........
    AIDS is no longer just a "them" disease, and like it would be okay if it was.............NOT!!!!!!!!! one of the highest rising %'s is heterosexual women.....

    Why is there such prejudice and stigma's still today.....in our so civilized world.........

    micro just full of thoughts and ponderin's on the nature of life?



    love you all and PM or anyother anytime...............
    micro :zzzzz :stone
    Last edit by micro on Apr 13, '02
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  2. 12 Comments

  3. by   JMP
    Since I took the time to read the post "unprotected sex" I just wondered, what exactly are you saying?

    I read it twice and still do not understand...maybe I am missing something, since I did not read unprotected sex, part one.
  4. by   micro
    JMP,
    You are so right here. I went back and said, duh!!!!! Micro.....
    so i edited my thoughts and put them into a semblance of english....thanks for the reminder.......
    Micro
  5. by   JMP
    Stigma attached to nursing with AIDS........ should not be. I work in an IUC and last week had a positive pt........ he was treated the same by me, but not by everyone........he was an IV drug user, and some treated him differently.

    I had a RT ask me if he was positive and asked the RT why they wanted to know.......RT said well, we should know if we are around him.
    My response was, well with universal precautions we treat everyone as a potential positive.

    Lots and lots of ways to get AIDS, but my friends, not all people with AIDS or HIV positive look like IV drug users. They could be a 75 year old man that reminds you of your grandfather.

    There are still people who will treat people of a different race, people with AIDS, people of poverty etc. differently. That group of people are ignorant and education is what they need.
  6. by   Level2Trauma
    I think micro must have gotten high reading the posts on marijauna use before posting here...................I don't understand it either.
  7. by   RNPD
    I don't get it either, micro. Is there a link to the post you are referring to?-that may make this one clearer.

    As far as treating people differently, I do not-however, I do take extra care with HIV+/AIDS. For example, if they are getting regular injections for pain, I'll request a pain management consult to try to get a tx that works w/o repeated chances for needlesticks. (Although I guess I would do this for anyone geting frequent injections for pain-so maybe not the best example.) I do treat addicts differently-I make it a point to give their pain meds on time-their tolerance is usually so high, that they frequently aren't held by standard doses and schedules, so I also attempt to get the doc to increase both dose and frequency.

    I have seen other people treat addicts horrendously-some people seem to think it's OK if you get HIV from a partner but not from drug abuse. But they are deserving of the same respect for their life as any human being.

    But since we are human, I understand the human tendency to judge others-we just can't let it interfere with our care for that person or ever express disapproval of them as a person-however, therapeutic disapproval of their self destructive ACTIONS is a different issue.
  8. by   hapeewendy
    luckily I had my micro to hapeewendy travel size dictionary on hand (actually I just rememberd the tone of unprotected sex #1, that helped)
    micro I may love you ,but you confused even ME on that one
    but now its much clearly
    and sadly I dont have anything good to add
    I've seen AIDS patients heavily discriminated against and have been ashamed at how many of my "fellow nurses" let the stigma get to them
    in the name of christianity I heard a few of them saying "god made adam and eve not adam and steve" or some contrived anti gay poster slogan type comment.
    it pissed me off...... I didt hide my displeasure , I mumbled something about how it amazed me the things ppl said in the name of religion, to which my supervisor at the time talked to me about the next day ( I guess someone was offended or something) I calmly said that I wouldnt name names but that people were being homophobic and perpetuating stereotypes of an AIDS patient which I didnt find ethical
    shocking how she left it at that and didnt bother to try to follow up isnt it?

    anyway that always bugged me , this AIDS patient was the NICEST person ever......sounds cliche but really he was someone that I really got on well with, was with the same partner for years, monogamous relationship but his partner did have his "wild days" in the 80's n stuff.......this patient was a pleasure to nurse, he ordered pizza for the staff later on ,very greatful for the care he received even from the narrowminded stereotying nurses. It was just so sad to see how people are treated differently based on that diagnosis
    *off soapbox now*
    after I went thru that I wanted to volunteer or work part time at casey house *a hospice type setting for AIDS patients*
    still think about doing that...... hmmmm
    micro you give good food for thought
    though I am happy you edited the first post
    I love your microspeak but that confrazzled poor little wendles
    cheers!
  9. by   Agnus
    I do not treat any one differently. Have we all forgotten that hepatitis is MUCH MORE virulent than HIV?
    I consider myself at risk and at risk to others by virture of my profession. I at anytime can cotract any disease including blood borne. I have been stuck with a large bore needle. went through the testing. Tested negative. But I am acutely aware that it doesn't take a sharps stick for me to be exposed to anything. I am acutely aware that I have more of a chance of getting hepatitis from a non stick than I do of getting HIV from a Hiv contaminated stick. HiV is not my biggest fear. I am also conscious that because you are 90 years old does not mean the risk that you have a blood borne diseas is any less.
    Universal precautions, period. Anything less is an insult to your , your patients, and your family's dignity. You can test neg one day and pos. the next you do not know EVER that you are anyone else is clean. So I do not have a problem dealing with any type a patient. I consider everyone a risk. To me any risk is a high one.

    PS I have at least one know family member who is Positive for AIDS. When I see him I do not behave differently than I would if he were not postive. We hug and kiss. I have cared for aids patients. I use protection wher appropriate.
    I have had patiens ask me why I use golves when there was no know disease present if I was afraid of catching something from them. My answere to all patients is the gloves are as much for thier protection as for mine. as I am exposed to many different patients and I would not want to carry something from one patient to another.
    When I care for an AIDS patient I am concerned about carrying an opertunistic infection to him/her and have declined to care for them when I have an infection.
    Last edit by Agnus on Apr 13, '02
  10. by   micro
    :imbar

    hey, all
    thanks for letting micro reedit.......her micro thoughts.........was out there wasn't there wasn't i.........
    happeewendy had the first test copy of microspeak dictionary.......
    it does help.......but it was a test version.....hehehe

    now more seriously.....
    thanks for all the replies and hope this train of thought keeps going.........even if micro steps out.........
    I have had a family member lost to AIDS.....in the "early days".....
    I still see such homophobia around that it makes me ill.........
    as well as other judgements made out there just because you are different from me.........

    yes, as humans it is in our nature to judge, even though wrong.........

    a $20 bill has the same worth rather perfect and new or
    $20 bill worn and crumpled.............

    so and then............

    micro

    :zzzzz :stone :stone
  11. by   micro
    just micro seeing if any takers on this train of thought out there today.....
    off to work with my white hat and heels.........not.....
    see you all on the floors.....
    micro
  12. by   micro
    Originally posted by micro
    just micro seeing if any takers on this train of thought out there today.....
    off to work with my white hat and heels.........not.....
    see you all on the floors.....
    micro
    I am just so aware of all that is out there and what people in this world and nation and nations are dealing with. As far as contracting myself.....I just am the wisest that I can be both professionally and otherwise.....

    But what also concerns me is the stigma and the prejudice out there and even within our circle of caring.....

    those that may have.......you name it.....
    those that have.........=they are less worthy.....
    those that do not have $$$ insurance.....
    those that are repeat visitors.........
    those that are ______+
    those with _______________-
    those that______________.

    just thinkin and talkin and using my posts wisely as the # is counting down.........ssbm

    off to work in a couple *.........
    nhnhtim
  13. by   colleen10
    Hi Micro,

    I think I'm onto your train of thought.

    Here's my 2 cents......

    First, "Unprotected Sex #1" made me mad because it seemed like a poster asked a pretty basic health question and everyone automatically assumed that since this person had unprotected sex and was only worried about getting pregnant that they are 1) dumb, 2) young and 3) not married and have no business having sex.

    First, a lot of married couples and "mature / serious / exclusive" couples who are not ready to have children use multiple types of contraception and as we all know some times a condom breaks, a diaphragm slips, etc. So, I felt that these assumptions were un-called for. If you are going to talk about stero-types - just because someone asks about "unprotected sex" doesn't mean that they are young and stupid, didn't try to have "protected" sex in the first place, and are not in a meaningful mature relationship.

    As far as AIDS and stereo types of people with AIDS I can say that as a 27 year old, throughout school my health / AIDS education concentrated on the biological route of which AIDS is contracted, not so much the social aspect or "types of people" that contract it.

    Because of this I think I have a pretty open mind that anyone can can be exposed to AIDS. There is no one "face of AIDS". I have also had the pleasure of meeting and having friendships with homosexual people and know that just because they are homosexual doesn't mean that they will have AIDS. They are just regular people, no different than anyone else. I know hetero sexual people who place themselves at a higher risk of contracting AIDS through multiple sexual partners than homo sexuals.

    In my case I think education and experience has been key in not creating stereo type images.

    I think it is important that we educate the public and especially our youth so that they can keep an open mind. It is sad that Hepatitis (mentioned by Agnus) is an equally virulent disease and can be contracted in many of the same ways that AIDS can be, yet it does not carry the same stigma.
  14. by   Brownms46
    You know it surprises me how many people think they can't get aids. I wonder sometimes about the people I have seen when I worked OB/GYN...how many women who got STDs from their long time boyfriends or even husbands...ever tested positive for HIV???

    I mean with all the infildelity out there...I wonder how someone who knows or even suspects their mate is cheating...can sleep with them...without using a condom???? I mean when you sleep with your mate ...and don't use condoms....you're taking your life in your hands. Geeze when you have sex period...with anyone you're taking your life in your hands.

    I know many partners who would have never ever thought their mate would cheat on them....but they did! I have a friend whose husband everyone "thought" loved her to death!! Well guess what he sure did...and she is living with the results! I also recently saw something on TV ...where a guy was taking back his neighborhood by videoing...all the "johns" who came on his street to have sex for money...and guess what...just about all of them were married!!!

    I taught my children from an early age...that the decision to have sex was something to made with a sober mind..and shouldn't be entered into lightly. That no form of protection was foolproof...and they would need to feel that could trust their partner with their LIFE ...because they would be....and that marriage was no protection against getiting STDs! If they had any resevations...that it was better to go without...or at the very least ....risk hurting someone's feeling by demanding a condom be used...whether married or not!

    I think too many women and even men...put themselves at unneccesary risk...so as not to lose their partners.....as you hear often...."my partner doesn't like condoms". But they're the ones with the STD!! I'd rather lose my partner than my life...especially if the partner gives no thought as to my safety. People are always saying..."you know when your partner is being unfaithful" Bull...a lot of folks have been caught off guard...and had NO clue!

    Finally ....I try to treat everyone I care for as I would wish to be treated. I have cared for many Aids, homosexauals, and drug abusers...and believe they all deserve the same treatment as everyone else!

    Many people are in the hospital who have diseases that could affect my health...but if I'm going to be there as their nurse...than I have to put my own feelings aside when I care for them. Not my business how they got what they have....just my business to do my job... period
    Last edit by Brownms46 on Apr 29, '02

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