Students nursing during EMR go-live - page 3
Hi all, I am an educator in an acute care 400+ bed hospital. We will be going live with our electronic system in September 2012. I also coordinate nursing students. Our hospital wants to NOT have... Read More
May 25, '12We do everything with our students. It sucks. But im not afraid to tell the instructor if the student is slowing me down that they need to step in.
May 25, '12Hmmm interesting. I'll being to my bridge soon and for that would feel arkward slowing someone down when they are NOT being paid to teach me. On the rare occasion 2-3 of us were paired with a staff nurse we would make it clear we were to do all their scut and they were to sit down and take a lunch and we did answer all calls beds do all the ADL's etc
May 25, '12Quote from tothepointeLVNi wish ours did that. We are a very large hospital and many nursing schools that do clinicals at our facility. i can think of ONE school that the instructor does morning medications with them. That really helps out alot. It is also better if that student is assigned to one patient so that way they can do ADL's, bath, vitals, walks etc with that one patient while the CNA and myself take on the other 3. But for the most part...nope, i have my "mini-me" that follows me around with all 4 patients. Expects to do medications with all 4 of these patients, and every task that is assigned to all 4 patients. Then they expect to go on a 2 hour lunch break and im playing 2 hours catching up because im 2 hours behind since i have a student. So 95% of the time i don't get any breaks if i have a student with me.Hmmm interesting. I'll being to my bridge soon and for that would feel arkward slowing someone down when they are NOT being paid to teach me. On the rare occasion 2-3 of us were paired with a staff nurse we would make it clear we were to do all their scut and they were to sit down and take a lunch and we did answer all calls beds do all the ADL's etc
May 25, '12Hmm interesting maybe thats the VN/RN difference most of the stuff within our SOP we can do without much supervision but we were always expected to take at least one of our own patients often times with the instructor covering the things we couldn't do though usually the nurses at the hospitals we did clinical at knew that if a VN student was on to still go ahead and do the IV meds.
May 26, '12We didn't have nursing students on the floors when we went live with our EPIC...because they did not have sign on. We had enough trouble making sure all the staff were being able to sign in without trying to get clearance for all the students also. The first week was was spent ironing out gliches and bugs, we had people who couldn't sign on, we had people who could sign on but were under the wrong things, etc. I don't disagree with the decision. We had no students for one month, then they had a system for them to be able to have a sign on, etc. We are also a large teaching hospital so we had over 1500 people we had to make sure could get in and do what they needed to do.
It isn't about not wanting students, it is about what is practical at that time. We did let the schools know 6 months in advance so that they would not schedule anyone during that time frame.
May 26, '12"the students won't get a good day of education.
the nurses will already be frazzled enough without another distraction. "
both demonstrably true. where's the snark in that?