Nursing students have to be virgins???

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OMG!!!! Found this on Fox News website. Cannot believe it. Unreal....read on:

ISTANBUL, Turkey-Turkey's health minister says high school girls training to be nurses must be virgins and the virginity tests he is authorizing will protect the nation's youth from prostitution and underage sex.

Outraged women's groups and nurses are vowing to fight, and a teachers' union is asking the government to fire the minister.

The regulations introduced this week by Health Minister Osman Durmus allow principals in state schools that train nurses, midwives and other health workers to expel girls for "having had sex or engaging in prostitution." Girls who are suspected of having sex could be subjected to a gynecological test to determine if they are virgins.

Virginity is highly valued in mainly Muslim Turkey. Forced virginity tests on girls suspected of having had premarital sex were common until the practice was banned in 1999 after five girls took rat poison rather than submit to the test.

Durmus said he was trying promote moral behavior in the nursing schools.

"Should our schools become places for prostitution?" he was quoted as saying by Akit newspaper.

In a tense meeting Tuesday, Buyan Dogan, the head of the Association of Turkish nurses, pleaded with Durmus to reconsider. The minister interrupted her frequently, at times accusing the nurses of defending underage sex.

"We will fight this to the end," an angry Dogan said before leaving Durmus' office.

The controversy, which is also being debated in the country's newspapers, reflects deep divisions between the large part of Turkey that is deeply religious and the Western-oriented elite who regard themselves as European.

The Islamic-oriented newspaper Akit devoted its front page to Durmus' attacks on the nurses who oppose virginity tests.

"A lesson for the immoral evil person," the newspaper said in its headline, referring to Dogan. It accused her of defending prostitution and sexual relationships.

The liberal press, meanwhile, ridiculed Durmus in sarcastic headlines. Columnist Can Dundar of the Milliyet newspaper asked how Durmus was going to check the virginity of male nursing students.

The Turkish Union of Science and Culture Workers, which represents teachers, called for the minister's dismissal.

"Durmus should work to solve the country's health problems-he should not concern himself with issues concerning the waist down," said Alaadin Dincer, head of the union.

In Turkey, girls who attend nursing high schools are generally from poor, traditional backgrounds. The conservative countryside is a traditional power base for Durmus' far-right Nationalist Action Party.

The 1999 ban on virginity tests allows them only for gathering evidence for court cases, such as rape trials. It requires a court order before women can be forced to take the test.

Durmus said nursing students suspecting of having sex would not be subjected to virginity tests without a court order.

Before the ban, school principals could force the test on girls suspected of engaging in premarital sex.

The change came after five teen-age girls from an orphanage attempted suicide by taking rat poison and throwing themselves in a water tank rather than submitting to the test after returning late to their orphanage. The girls were later forced to take the test in their hospital beds.

Concern over virginity sometimes even extends to visitors to Turkey: In more conservative parts of the country, unmarried foreign tourists have been dragged out of their hotel rooms for staying with male companions.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,29924,00.html

You gotta be kidding me...

Originally posted by Josefin

PLEASE! I can see you are not political, you got something terribly wrong here... It`s NOT Turkey destroying 2000 year old carvings/statues, it`s AFGHANISTAN which is a country ruled by high traditional talibans. Afghanistan has become a dictature where women live in fear to be stoned to death if they are showing anything but the eyes outside their own house. To compare Turkey to Afghanistan is like comparing... hmmm... I can`t come up with anything like it!!!

Beside this- I can`t believe this... It sounds really sick- an expression of a fight within the turkish society you can`t imagine if you have not been in the country. Turkey is a country with a white and a black side. One side (mainly upper class) are living exactly as we are in Rome, NY, Stockholm, Copenhagen, Paris etc. The other side of the country is, as mentioned before in this thread, traditional low-educated muslems who are living in a very traditional way. Turkey is truly an interesting country, I recommend you all to visit it at least one time. If anyone have questions about the country or society, you are welcome to e-mail me!

AND this is why I am NOT political. Jeez, forgive me.

When I first read this post, I honestly thought it was a joke. Then I got my newspaper and saw the article and I was outraged. I thank God for the good old USA and our freedoms that we take for granted so frequently. My heart aches for these women!!

Having just gotten back from there (my husband is part Turkish)...

Turkey may be a Muslim country, but it promotes strict seperation of religion and government functions. For example, a religious official cannot perform a marriage ceremony- only the government ceremony is considered official. A new law requires women to not wear traditional headscarves when attending university. There are some things that are lagging, but perhaps that would be better understood when you see the rate at which the country is changing and the generations are changing. It is truly amazing. I know a woman, for example, who is a successful computer engineer in Istanbul and recently married someone she had been dating for many years. Her mother, on the other hand, had had an arranged marriage at 16 years old and is a traditional homemaker.

Also, just like any other religion (look at fundamentalist Christians, for example, or contrast the average values of middle America with other areas of the US) there are going to be extreme groups with extreme viewpoints. Unfortunately, the portrayal of Muslims as extremist is part of the Western media. I've had the pleasure of meeting many warm and hospitable people, some more traditional, some less, during my visits.

Just thought I've give that perspective...

Originally posted by hoolahan

I saw that in the paper today also. That is abominable! Hand me the rat poison, I choose my own fate.

And what will they do besides deny them admission to nursing school if found to not be virgins?? Beat them??

I will keep all Turkish women in my prayers.

Actually i think it is "Stoning to Death" or is it redue the female circumsion to close the lady partsl opening. That is also a custom there in Muslim states "Genital Mutilation" real bad scene for women. In addition I talked with a girl from a muslim state like Iran who told me she had to convince her father that she was not being afornicator from the knowledge of men that she gained from being a nurse. She also told me that a male nurse is rare and is not allowed to have a female patient. I know I will never go there to work!:rolleyes:

In fact I asked if it was appropriate for her to talk with me, being that I am a male. She said casually yes but to talk about reproductive health issues NO! We talked all night in the All Nurses chat! About what else what we think about reproductive health issues and female castration/circumsision! LOL! It is sad that these states are so controlling, it makes you very glad to be an American! Free speech and examples like this!;)

Originally posted by misti_z

I work with a nurse who is in her 40s and who is from India. She has been in the US for 6 years now. She graduated from nursing school in India when she was 18, started school when she was 16. The school would not let women/girls in if they were not virgins and unmarried. They also HAD to live in a dorm-type community and be in by 6pm during the week and 9pm on weekend, also had to have written proof that they were going to see family on weekends.:confused:

You reminded me with your post. In the not so distant past 38 years ago in fact here in Columbus, Ohio USA, my mom was inschool at a hospital for nursing. She lived in a dorm too. She was not allowed to be married to be in the program, nor pregnant! She had got pregnant then married my father. She did not graduate d/t this fact so she says! I have been told by one of her classmates that this was true and also that she did not have the academics to stay in the program too! Either way in our American past we had restrictions on women who wanted to be nurses! I do not know but it sounds like males were excluded from the program :(:mad:

Oh she became a resp. therapist instead back when you could get grandfathered into that without a degree.

I showed this article to my department head who has been in nursing for 35 years or so. She also stated that student nurses could not be married or, heaven forbid, get pregnant while in school. She stated that if this happened, they were immediately dismissed from school.

Thank God times have changed in that respect!! Otherwise, at 45, I wouldn't have a chance at becoming a nurse, and since there are fewer younger people coming into the field, imagine how short it would be if those "standards" were still in place!!:eek:

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