kicked out nrsing school-would u fight? - page 2

Help I was 5 days from finishing my first year nursing and got bounced. i must go on record as not being the most beloved person in the class. the staff in a manner of speaking, hates my guts. i... Read More

  1. by   NRSKarenRN
    review your schools handbook re: lack of due process

    check out:
    laying down the law for nurse educators
    gloria ramsey, rn, jd
    masthead date october 09, 2001

    lack of due process.
    due process means that students have legally protected rights, must be put on notice, and must have an opportunity to be heard. this right varies depending on whether the school is private or government-funded. however, the terms of the student-institution relationship are set forth in the school catalog or bulletin-they apply from the moment the student enrolls. the catalog or bulletin must state the institutional policy on grading and passing and any other policy that would affect a student's completing the program. the catalog, handbook, and all applicable policies must be available to all students at admission. breach of contract will be determined by examining whether the institution has complied with its own stated policies. if procedure has not been adhered to or has been violated, there may be a finding of breach of contract, and the student may also argue a violation of due process.
    http://community.nursingspectrum.com...e.cfm?aid=5128
    Last edit by NRSKarenRN on Jun 26, '04
  2. by   hotcoffee1
    this is just what i was looking for. i am waiting for the college booklet regarding the complaint process. i already know they violated my rights procedurally. this is a great article and one that i will cite in my rebuttal. bless you toots.


    Quote from nrskarenrn
    review your schools handbook re: lack of due process

    check out:
    laying down the law for nurse educators
    gloria ramsey, rn, jd
    masthead date october 09, 2001

    lack of due process.
    due process means that students have legally protected rights, must be put on notice, and must have an opportunity to be heard. this right varies depending on whether the school is private or government-funded. however, the terms of the student-institution relationship are set forth in the school catalog or bulletin-they apply from the moment the student enrolls. the catalog or bulletin must state the institutional policy on grading and passing and any other policy that would affect a student's completing the program. the catalog, handbook, and all applicable policies must be available to all students at admission. breach of contract will be determined by examining whether the institution has complied with its own stated policies. if procedure has not been adhered to or has been violated, there may be a finding of breach of contract, and the student may also argue a violation of due process.
    http://community.nursingspectrum.com...e.cfm?aid=5128
  3. by   hotcoffee1
    thanks for taking the time to respond. it hurts to say it, but you sound like my mother. i am a hot head from way back when. at the root of this problem, is some anger on my part that goes back to a harassment issue (before harassment was vogue). i got clobbered and i've been overly sensitive ever since. i wouldnt say i am a rude or necessarily pushy person, i am pragmatic. i always found it hard to make those clever and appropriate moves to win the person over. i am very true to myself. some people call it playing the game. i always felt i was betraying who i am to metamorph into a creature i am simply not. you have better survival skills than i. and you will win in more clutches. i am flawed.............................but 100% myself.
    thanks again. HC


    Quote from Dayray
    I have to agree that "the instructor is out to get me" mentality can really adversely affect students. I have had instructors that didn't like me and guess what I did? I made them like me. I went out of my way to be nice and to show them that I appreciated them (even when I didn't). I didn't do anything out of the ordinary, no presents or special favors, I was just nice and would pretend they were nice even when they weren't.

    When someone treats you unfairly pretend that they are actually being nice to you. Most of the time they will feel guilty for having been unfair to you and then go out of their way to be fair or nice to you. If you wanted, you could call them out on being unfair but then they would only become defensive and most likely be more unfair in the future. Although it requires swallowing ones pride being nice to those who are unkind usually ends up being more beneficial to both.

    Some may see that as kissing up or selling out but I'm willing to lay aside my pride so that I end up with what I want in the end.

    As it stands now I agree with you, you have nothing to lose from pursuing this. I'm not sure anything will come of it though. Nursing schools tend to have the attitude of "my way or the highway" and they are seldom sympathetic to student's that feel they were mistreated.

    Good luck ! I hope you find a way to reach your goal.
  4. by   hotcoffee1
    they are responding to my performance. i am disabled. i have posts under the appropriate columns. it appears to be ineptness, but it's really disability under stress. i will never be a nurse on a med surg flr.///looking at psych. i understand their reactions, they have not been told of my afflictions. i felt my privacy would be jeopardized. so your friends are right it's performance that they are witnessing. they could however, be supportive. i would have functioned better under those conditions. thanks for responding.





    Quote from hyperstudent
    I have a hard time believing in the "instructors are out to get me" type of mentality. If you are serious about avoiding this problem in the future, then you need to put your ego on the back burner and deal with reality of why you are being kicked out with only 5 days to go. My friend who is in nursing classes with me is also an instructor at our colleges surgical tech.dept. and my brother in law is an instructor with the EMS dept, they have both said for every student who claims the instructor was out to get them, they can tell you the real reasons for their failure; it is a direct result of their own actions or inability to perform in the nursing field and not because of a personality conflict with the instructor. As far as your tremors, for every nurse without a disability or disorder, there is one with some type of disability or disorder and they are both able to perform the skills needed in nursing. I am one of those who happens to have a disability. I feel bad that this has happened to you. The sad part is, if you continue to believe in the story that makes you appear to be the victim, then you remove yourself from the responsibility of correcting the problem.
  5. by   lovinghands
    [QUOTE=hotcoffee1]i will never be a nurse on a med surg flr.///looking at psych. i understand their reactions, they have not been told of my afflictions. QUOTE]

    If you are saying you will not be working med-surg due to your essential tremor but can work psych, I'd check out the required skills of the psych unit. I work on an acute psych unit and administer IM, insert IVs, cath, suction, etc - just not as much as I would on a med-surg floor.
  6. by   jenreg123
    Quote from hotcoffee1
    Help

    I was 5 days from finishing my first year nursing and got bounced. i must go on record as not being the most beloved person in the class. the staff in a manner of speaking, hates my guts. i have clinical with a woman hell-bent on getting me kicked out. she has earned the name of dracula's daugher (AKA DD) from the clinical group. she is less than supportive, and when i asked for guidance regarding a straight cath (i anticipated a pt requiring one, no experience) she told me to read the book. (you get the picture, right?)

    The last 5 weeks of class are med-surg in ortho. we got our first two patients the third clinical day. (i was not given a patient the first day of clinical--he never materialized from the OR) I happen to have an essental tremor. i found this out in lab first semester, when trying to draw up a meds my first semester. i sought care from my physician who placed me on lopressor. it has helped tremendously. I advised the staff.

    Clinical was torture. we were required to fill out the paperwork described in the syllabus as well as additional forms introduced by DD. we recorded VS in 4 different places. If you did meds for the rotation, it was virtually impossible to finish on time (all my meds were administered late), and many of my classmates failed to accomplish this.

    My first patient had alzheimers, total hip, and was combative. i fell behind schedule in performing his care. a future clinical instructor was shadowing DD and helped me with this patient. we fell behind DD's written schedule. I made the assumption that the shadow had a some authority and i took directions from her. I was later told that i was late emptying drains, and did not adhere to the schedule of care. i was told this was MY patient and I screwed up the timeframe for emptying foley and a hemovac. (i had never done either skill up to this day). The most EMBARASSING error I made (yes dear reader, i will tell you) was not telling the nurse in charge of the patient, that the wrong IV fluid was hanging (we had IV and foley training post these incidents). We had the postoperative lecture describing the tasks necessary for post op care after four patient care days. i didnt hang the fluid, which was not ordered and also incorrectly documented on the patient's flowsheet). DD found the error and told me to tell the nurse................and god, i forgot (i told the nurse 1.5 hrs later). I admitted my error in postop conference (there was never a preop conf) and got reamed (understandably). Had I kept my mouth shut, i would have escaped probation. THEN my other grievous error is reaching out of an isolation room to grab my clipboard. Ok i have dumped all the big ones. Remember the tremor? Well yesterday when they dumped me, they told me that I didnt have the motor skills to do the job. I never made an error in med admin. no problem there. i just couldnt draw up the med. without air bubbles (sigh).

    it's hard to write this stuff up. i'll let this stand and wait for your comments. remember the agenda is to get rid of me......................there is no support whatsoever. i worked hard to get to this point and these creepy, unprincipled women have pushed me out.

    your input most appreciated.

    hotcoffee1

    PS there is a guy who has been put on probation last semester for a med. error, who made a med error this session. nothing happened
    I don't know what kind of a school you are in...2yr?...well something is very wrong...if you are expected to do things you have never been told about...and the tremor should not matter.....the main problem with nurses, as I've learned over more than 40 years out of school, is that they don't care for each other in a caring manner.....there is an old saying that charity begins at home...Let us define charity as love or caring......if we cannot care for one another as fellow nurses, how can we possibly have a sincere caring attitude towards patients? Talk to someone in charge... :angryfire !
  7. by   Farkinott
    I think you are brave to be pursuing a new career at your age. Keep your cool, follow due process and take the fight to these wackers! Nobody is perfect but it seems you have been definitely wronged. NOBODY can expect you to be a proficient nurse when you are still a student on clincal placment!
    I had a facilitator that gave me a bit of grief and a bad grade once. My evaluation of her (a totally honest one I might add), assisted in having her removed from the employ of my uni.

    Fight the good fight and good luck!
  8. by   hotcoffee1
    yes, there is something wrong. but i revel in your support. how wonderful! i will fight the good fight and keep you posted. im afraid this goes beyond lack of support and is a personality issue. thanks kiddo.

    patti




    Quote from jenreg123
    I don't know what kind of a school you are in...2yr?...well something is very wrong...if you are expected to do things you have never been told about...and the tremor should not matter.....the main problem with nurses, as I've learned over more than 40 years out of school, is that they don't care for each other in a caring manner.....there is an old saying that charity begins at home...Let us define charity as love or caring......if we cannot care for one another as fellow nurses, how can we possibly have a sincere caring attitude towards patients? Talk to someone in charge... :angryfire !
  9. by   hotcoffee1
    your support most welcomed. i feel inspired. i will keep you posted. HC




    Quote from Farkinott
    I think you are brave to be pursuing a new career at your age. Keep your cool, follow due process and take the fight to these wackers! Nobody is perfect but it seems you have been definitely wronged. NOBODY can expect you to be a proficient nurse when you are still a student on clincal placment!
    I had a facilitator that gave me a bit of grief and a bad grade once. My evaluation of her (a totally honest one I might add), assisted in having her removed from the employ of my uni.

    Fight the good fight and good luck!
  10. by   Chevelle
    Fight it! You have worked hard and deserve the chance! :angryfire You are in my prayers and never give up!!!! Keep us posted!
  11. by   hotcoffee1
    Chevy

    thank you! all the comments have been wonderful. good luck in nursing school and i will say a prayer for your brother.
    HC


    QUOTE=Chevelle]Fight it! You have worked hard and deserve the chance! :angryfire You are in my prayers and never give up!!!! Keep us posted![/QUOTE]
  12. by   pkmom
    at my current school, if a student is having a hard time with an instructor, a different, unrelated instructor will follow them for one clinical day to evaluate their skills and rule out difficulties r/t personality differences. there is one instructor who lots of people have a hard time with and it seems that every semester she has a student followed by another instructor. Even students who didn't have her in clinicals tell me that I'm fortunate to never have had to work with her.
    but, in a different school I had an instructor who did have something against me. at first I just told myself that I was being overly sensitive and that maybe I did deserve her harsh criticism. Our first clinical day she tore into me because I didn't know that there were different types of antihypertensives. she talked on and on about how unprepared I was. I felt that I was prepared as well as I could have been with my extremely limited nursing knowledge. There were some people who were not in complete uniform, some who didn't even look up their pts drugs...but I was the only one who was "unprepared." We had a lab that night and my clinical group gave me the best support and said that they didn't understand why she was being so hard on me. I perservered and passed with flying colors, but this is just to show that sometimes, there are instructors with an ugly agenda.
  13. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I am soooo sorry. I have not any real words of wisdom just support.....Maybe try to gain entry to another school.???? Clearly, based on what you say here: You have been "marked" and even if you do fight and get back in, it will be HELL from beginning to end. I would not consider it worth it myself. Best wishes, whatever you do decide to do.

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