Is there REALLY a nursing shortage? - page 16

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  1. by   AcceptableRisk
    Quote from PMFB-RN
    *** I live in central Wisconsin. As far as I can tell there is no nursing shortage at all, at least not in this area. If I were a nurse recruiter from a real shortage area I would head to central Wisconsin.
    I am a new grad and I live in central Wisconsin, too. I have not been able to get anything but a med-surg job...and there aren't that many of them available up here, either. I wanted an ICU job and have read quite a few articles about how easy it is, these days, for new grads to get them. So, when I started my job search, I was very surprised to see how few ICU jobs were available up here, and at each one I applied to, I was told "we need you to have a year of med-surg experience".

    Bottom line: I'm moving out of this area of the country as soon as possible.

    Does anyone know of any areas of the country I could move to, where a new grad can get an ICU job?

    Thanks!
  2. by   mvanz9999
    Quote from sweetie29
    I need a school that offer LPN in illinios please help
    Where in IL? If Chicago, look at the City Colleges.

    The City Colleges of Chicago Welcomes You
  3. by   cowboyRN
    Quote from worldtraveler
    The Only Answer for Better pay and Working conditions(Safety-think issues like Floating and mandatory OT) for most nurses is Unionization. Until that happens the posts will continue to read as most do here,,,,
    I am pretty anti-union myself traveler, if you want them go for it. I would rather negotiate on my own terms. There is only one union hospital I know of here in Albuquerque and it is the lowest paid with the worst patient/staff ratios. You pay them your dues for what would appear to be nothing, what I would call legalized extortion. Just my dos centavos.
  4. by   UM Review RN
    Quote from AcceptableRisk
    I am a new grad and I live in central Wisconsin, too. I have not been able to get anything but a med-surg job...and there aren't that many of them available up here, either. I wanted an ICU job and have read quite a few articles about how easy it is, these days, for new grads to get them. So, when I started my job search, I was very surprised to see how few ICU jobs were available up here, and at each one I applied to, I was told "we need you to have a year of med-surg experience".

    Bottom line: I'm moving out of this area of the country as soon as possible.

    Does anyone know of any areas of the country I could move to, where a new grad can get an ICU job?

    Thanks!
    First off, welcome to Allnurses!

    Second, I think you'd probably be better off to start a new thread instead of burying your question inside a thread about something else.

    Third, I know where there are lots of jobs, but you might not care for the salary or conditions, so be careful. Try to check out places before you leap.

    Best wishes, keep us updated!
  5. by   xtclass08
    all of you are scaring me. I m still a nursing student and I have 3 semesters left. I switched out of my 3rd year in pharmacy to do nursing because I didnt wanna push pills all day. Maybe I should switch back. I wanna help people and still have a stable and decent job, but from what you all saypretty much everything I have been told about nursing is a lie. Their really isn't a shortage, the job is by far unstable, and you can't really help much of anybody because u spend ln day in front of a comp... seriously I shoulda stuck with pharmacy
  6. by   dexter99
    I live in long island NY and I dont think there is a nursing shortage here! I've been trying to land a job as an RN and am still jobless! To think some hospitals are even recruiting from other countries and still go through the long process of migration papers!!! Isnt it ironical? I think nursing is becoming more of a business to these recruiters without thinking that the market will soon be saturated and then what will happen to those nurses from other coutries who brought their families w/them? Welcome to the rat race!
  7. by   Aquamarine
    Quote from RunningWithScissors
    Yes, this is true.

    We have a huge revolving door in our hospital, but there is never a shortage of agency nurses to fill those holes. We can't get nurses to stay much past their orientation, oftentimes not even completing orientation, before quitting.
    When will hospital administrators wake up. Treat nurses with respect, pay isn't minimum wage, but the patients lives are in our hands....do we get paid accordingly? No we don't. Nurses are nasty to each otherr because they are disgruntled by the bunch...
    and what about do no harm?? isn't it applicable to all....administration and the way they treat nurses, nurses...the way they treat other nurses, not to mention our oath....if we aren't being treated well, respected, then who ultimately suffers? The patient does. Isn't that our goal? I thought so but quit hospital nursing because of the abuse, and I couldn't stand to see the patients suffer because of "the shortage" that the hospital wanted you to understand, when there are plenty of nurses out there to be called in...they don't want to pay the OT.
    We don't all believe the "shortage".
  8. by   Bluehair
    From my perspective, it has seemed over the last nearly 30 years of career that there has always been a nursing shortage in some part of the country, but not everywhere. That location seems to have been a bit fluid, moving from region to region. I have always been able to find work, but have had to be willing to move to where there were jobs.
    What does everyone consider to be a good wage? Sure, we would all love to be making $35/hour. I don't think that is reasonable, though. There is another thread in AllNurses where many are bemoaning the myth of insurance. Face it, medicine IS a business, from insurance right down to every bandaid sold at WalMart. If all nurses made $35/hour plus got all sorts of overtime at that wage, then what do you think the cost of Insurance would do then? What do you think Medicare would do/cover then? Everyone wants the newest, latest and greatest that is out there, whether it be the latest new car or the latest gene therapy that will cure their wrinkles. I am not so sure that is too realistic. Yup, lots of people have had awful managers, worked for horrible corporations, the lot. Me too. But there are good hospitals out there that pay reasonable wages and treat their staff fairly and with respect. I work for one at the moment. Will it be exactly the same in 1, 2, 5 years from now? No idea. No guarantee about anything in life, sorry.
    New grads, there are jobs out there. Rare is the hospital that will hire you in ICU right out of school. It does still happen, but not as often as it did for a while. When I graduated, and for many years afterwards, NO ONE got to work in ICU unless you had at least 1-2 years in Med Surg first. The belief was that you learned to fine tune your nursing skills, assessment skills, and overall knowledge base before you advance your practice to the ICU level. It turned into a bit of a proving ground as well. If you couldn't do well at the basics, they weren't going to give you the hard stuff.
    I agree with the OP, do your homework. There are plenty of jobs out there, or recruiters would not be working so hard at finding nurses to place. Lots of people do not want to work in a rural area where you might only earn $18/hour. Where I am at the moment, we took a 40% cut in pay to move here. Cost of living - about 40% less than in CA where we were. Still have the same amount of cashola to work with overall. There is a lot of things to consider when job hunting, and quality of life is a big one. A lot of people could not dream of living in a remote area. Whatever you chose to do today is not what you have to keep doing tomorrow. Give something a try, and if it's not you then move to what is.
    Good luck!!!
  9. by   Huscarl73
    Thank you blue hair. That's the most honest assesment of any work enviroment in any field that I've seen in awhile.
  10. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Quote from xtclass08
    all of you are scaring me. I m still a nursing student and I have 3 semesters left. I switched out of my 3rd year in pharmacy to do nursing because I didnt wanna push pills all day. Maybe I should switch back. I wanna help people and still have a stable and decent job, but from what you all saypretty much everything I have been told about nursing is a lie. Their really isn't a shortage, the job is by far unstable, and you can't really help much of anybody because u spend ln day in front of a comp... seriously I shoulda stuck with pharmacy

    I've been a nurse for 15 years. If I had it to do over again, I'd go for pharmacy.
  11. by   alicet
    Are they going to use LPN's to fill in for RN's do you think it is possible?
    Last edit by alicet on Feb 4, '07
  12. by   pyseymo
    That's scary-most of us HAVE to work or we would not be doing this! What state are you in?
  13. by   alicet
    Don't worry it will be OK Nevada

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