2015 DNP - page 20

I am wondering if anyone has heard any updates. Everything I keep seeing online from the AACN is "recommendation", "strongly encouraged", "highly suggested". I have yet to see anything, that says, "Look, either you... Read More

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    UNC is slated to start their DNP this fall.

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    Unfortunately, I know of a number of DNP's and DNP students who cannot yet correctly use the English language. I can say the same about MD/DO students, too, so it's not exclusive to nurses. What happened to learning grammar and spelling in elementary school?

    The degree 'DNP' suggests that it is a doctoral degree for NP's but that is not necessarily the case. The initial stands for Doctor of Nursing Practice. There are many programs that focus on nursing education and leadership and do not even offer an NP track.

    I can just imagine insurers deciding to pay an NP more for their clinical practice because he/she has a DNP with a leadership focus and no additional clinical training. They don't want to pay us for equal work now. Does anyone think that they will start reading transcripts to see if we have advanced CLINICAL training?

    When someone designs a clinical (not a practice) doctorate and does the research to show that the outcomes for patient care by those NP's are better than those of MSN prepared NP's i might be more excited and supportive of the concept.
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    Anyone proposing to penalize others for pursuing further education seems fearful or threatened in my opinion. I would understand if they did not want to pay the DNP more money if they could hire an MSN for less but this line of thinking does not support the desire to provide a deeper knowledge base for the patients served. Many of these MDs have not investigated what the DNP entails and fiercely defend what is perceived as their territory while ignoring the benefits that a DNP could bring to an MDs practice and the patients. MDs that feel this way should provide specific objections to the curricula they feel is not necessary or inadaquate. Blanket statements and general conclusions are pointless and waste time and energy in this debate. Perhaps they fear eventually loosing their high incomes to DNPs. More than likely, money is at the bottom of this barrel as there was no discussion of what might bring the patients the greatest good. What kind of person would advocate for less education?....a greedy, territorial one ! DNP/ APRNs are here to stay so they may as well learn to live with it at least, and at best, advocate for the curriculum they feel would be more useful.
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    [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR]I am notaware of "one" DNP program for nurse educators. Can you pleaseidentify one as I have several colleagues who would be interested.
    They may not pay you more for the DNP , but they may not reimburse you unless you have a DNP. Reflect back to 1992 when the MS became the standard that was used for reimbursement by first the Feds and followed by private insurers.

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    I would understand if they did not want to pay the DNP more money if they could hire an MSN for less
    *** There is no rational to pay an NP or CRNA with a DNP more. They can't bill at a higher rate and don't bring in more money to the practice.

    but this line of thinking does not support the desire to provide a deeper knowledge base for the patients served. Many of these MDs have not investigated what the DNP entails and fiercely defend what is perceived as their territory
    *** There is a very understandable and logical reason for MD to dislike and be defensive of the DNP. There have been and are people going round saying that the DNP with be physician equivalents, and even some people making statements about how silly it was for physicians to go to medical school when they could be ding the same thing with a DNP. Recently here on all nurses there was a discussion about DNP prepared NPs should be calling themselves physicians.

    while ignoring the benefits that a DNP could bring to an MDs practice and the patients.
    *** What benefits can a DNP bring to practice and patients not brought by MSN prepared NPs? The one university's DNP CRNA and NP program I am familiar with didn't add a single clinical hour or clinically related. Their students are doing the DNP portion first then going into the exact same NP and CRNA education they provided previously in the MSN program. Maybe not all of them are like that.
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    American Association of Colleges of Nursing | Frequently Asked Questions (DNP FAQ from AACN it answers every question that has been posted on here)

    The DNP isn't about getting more clinical hours. The DNP is supposed to make nurses experts in EBP.
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    Quote from wtbcrna
    The DNP isn't about getting more clinical hours. The DNP is supposed to make nurses experts in EBP.
    Which is exactly what my MSN program told me my MSN would do for me 15 years ago.
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    Quote from elkpark
    Which is exactly what my MSN program told me my MSN would do for me 15 years ago.
    Have you read through the entire AACN document on the DNP? An MSN/APN will spend the majority of their time learning how to be APN not an expert in EBP. That doesn't consider the fact that MSN/APN programs are credit over loaded and need to move to a clinical doctorate based on credit hours alone.
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    Quote from wtbcrna
    Have you read through the entire AACN document on the DNP?
    I have, and I'm not impressed.
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    Quote from elkpark
    I have, and I'm not impressed.
    Then what would you suggest the degree should be for APNs that graduate with semester credit hours that far exceed the number of credit hours it normally takes for a generic Masters (I graduated with 82 semester credit hours for my MSN/CRNA), and how would you decrease the time it takes for research to come into practice (approximately 17yrs right now) without additional education on EBP?


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