So sick of hearing about the swine flu!!! - page 3

It's the swine!! Ok, we all know that the swine flu aka H1N1 is a new strain of the flu and it has been very deadly. Seriously though, is it any more deadly than the regular flu? I don't know what... Read More

  1. Visit  indigo girl profile page
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    Quote from blueheaven
    Yea, but in 1918 we didn't have the technology to help people survive it. So yes, 1918 death numbers are accurate but how many would have survived if they lived in the 21st century.
    Agreed, but we are not saving them all despite our advanced technology, and our antivirals. Not everyone that ends up on a vent, can be oxygenated. For those that can even qualify for ECMO, it's a 50/50 chance of survival.

    For many reasons, these folks are still dying. It is tragic, especially those young pregnant women and the children. These stories are heartbreaking.

    http://allnurses.com/pandemic-flu-fo...ng-400466.html

    http://allnurses.com/pandemic-flu-fo...ow-422611.html

    http://allnurses.com/pandemic-flu-fo...lu-399332.html

    http://allnurses.com/pandemic-flu-fo...we-410682.html

    How anyone can make light of this virus is beyond me.
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  2. Visit  lamazeteacher profile page
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    Quote from feelgoodnrs420
    an epidemiologist told me the swine flu is "about 300% less deadly" than the seasonal flu.
    anyone collecting disease stats can call themselves an epidemiologist! what other qualifications did that person have? he/she is dead wrong! ask (nicely) where you might find the criteria for that statistic (other than from his/her mouth).
    also said swine flu becoming a repeat of the 1918 pandemic is extremely far-fetched - aside from dramatic advances in medicine, 1918 had a "perfect storm" of a more than ample supply of malnourished troops in mental and physiological shambles - and thus depressed immune systems - to facilitate the spread.
    the returning troops that died of h1n1 (they had no test for it then)numbered far, far less than 18,000,000 in 1918. remember, ww i was an "in the trenches" with close contact and killer (of respiratory tract)gas war, and with all the countries involved, there still weren't 18,000,000 malnourished, lung compromised troops altogether.

    it's more a demographics issue really. i'm getting the vax just in case! hooray!! share where you found it, if they didn't run out of it.
    it's babies now, schoolchildren, pregnant women, and hcws dying and critically ill folks. a far different scenario that in 1918, 1976, or any other time in recorded history!

    i can understand how necessary it is to take a break from all the news about h1n1, but calling a halt to reporting cases of dead and dying victims of h1n1 is hiding heads in sand time. dead id dead. you can't refute that!

    the shortage in this country of available vaccine is very regrettable, and reflects denial and politics here, rather than oops. glaxosmith klein's 11,000,000 doses of vaccine ordered by the usa is still languishing somewhere, hopefully not in the arms of people from other countries with regulating agencies more open to providing it. canada has been using that vaccine for months without incident, while our fda refuses to allow its release.

    call your representatives, senators, governors, and demand its release!!!! all you have to say is, "i am _____________________, at risk for h1n1 through my work as a hcw, and i don't want to become a statistic, as one more hcw critically ill and exposing others to this known killer!" (or something like that, in your own style - i tend to exclaim loudly which can deafen others to issues).

    and, while you're on the telephone with those in charge of your health future history, and that of your children (they'll find the money for healthcare in their time), tell them to see that the reform of health care bill gets through the senate, or they'll lose your vote. they need you as front line workers battling a known enemy with a definite wmd. the ammunition here is vaccine, for our defense against illness and death!

    if there was possible extreme danger lurking in a direction in which you're traveling with your baby and children, wouldn't you want to know, to turn in another direction, away from it? i know how super saturated, readers of allnurses may feel about information that takes many directions, but the dangerous one is abundantly clear. don't stay in avoidance, we need your skills, your essence, your presence among us. stay informed and alive, and help others do that, too.

    don't be a looky-loo blocking hwy traffic after a crash, clear the way for those who need and want h1n1 vaccine.
    Last edit by lamazeteacher on Nov 11, '09 : Reason: clarity, punctuation, clarity, emphasis, sentence structure improvement
  3. Visit  ~Mi Vida Loca~RN profile page
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    I was really sick of hearing about the flu, go figure I got it. I didn't even realize I had it because I didn't have body aches but I had the fever and cough, was getting better then got worse and so on, it wasn't that bad, I mean I felt crummy for a week but it didn't knock me out. What scared me was my daughter got it who is only 2. Her temp got up to 105 at one point, then she also seemed to better and then got worse her cough got so bad it was making it hard to breath for her. She has always been pretty healthy, well as healthy as a 2.5 year old can be, anyway finally yesterday I took her to Urgent Care and she got a secondary infection of Bronchitis. Well hopefully it's that, the Dr. didn't seem very sure of herself, she said things like "I don't THINK it's pneumonia" "I don't THINK we need films".

    She said she has been seeing a lot of kids come in having had the swine flu and now having really bad secondary infections of either Bronchitis or Pneumonia I am hoping though this means we are good for the rest of the season, my husband and other kids haven't seemed to have gotten it yet thankfully so maybe they won't. I told my daughter she had the piggy flu.

    I was told I could get the H1N1 vaccine since I am a nursing student but I opted not to, I suppose it's all good now since I already had it and the vaccines were going to be given out in the next few weeks to the high risk groups.
  4. Visit  indigo girl profile page
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    Quote from ~Mi Vida Loca~
    I was really sick of hearing about the flu, go figure I got it. I didn't even realize I had it because I didn't have body aches but I had the fever and cough, was getting better then got worse and so on, it wasn't that bad, I mean I felt crummy for a week but it didn't knock me out. What scared me was my daughter got it who is only 2. Her temp got up to 105 at one point, then she also seemed to better and then got worse her cough got so bad it was making it hard to breath for her. She has always been pretty healthy, well as healthy as a 2.5 year old can be, anyway finally yesterday I took her to Urgent Care and she got a secondary infection of Bronchitis. Well hopefully it's that, the Dr. didn't seem very sure of herself, she said things like "I don't THINK it's pneumonia" "I don't THINK we need films".

    She said she has been seeing a lot of kids come in having had the swine flu and now having really bad secondary infections of either Bronchitis or Pneumonia I am hoping though this means we are good for the rest of the season, my husband and other kids haven't seemed to have gotten it yet thankfully so maybe they won't. I told my daughter she had the piggy flu.

    I was told I could get the H1N1 vaccine since I am a nursing student but I opted not to, I suppose it's all good now since I already had it and the vaccines were going to be given out in the next few weeks to the high risk groups.
    Get the vax for you and your family when you can. You can be infected more than once like this pediatrician:

    http://dailymail.com/News/200911041062
  5. Visit  ~Mi Vida Loca~RN profile page
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    Oh I wasn't aware, it worries me to get a vaccine though that was so rushed to get out their and no long term effects are known. I am not anti vaccine, we all are up to date on our vaccines, it's just this one that worries me. I was going to get us all the regular flu vaccine, well except my husband, he is a sissy when it comes to needles.

    The only time I have gotten the flu shot was the year they miscalculated and it was the first time I ever got the flu and it sucked so bad, it was worse then this H1N1 in how I felt but it only lasted a couple days only 2 days where I was real bad and this one lasted longer.
  6. Visit  indigo girl profile page
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    Quote from ~Mi Vida Loca~
    Oh I wasn't aware, it worries me to get a vaccine though that was so rushed to get out their and no long term effects are known. I am not anti vaccine, we all are up to date on our vaccines, it's just this one that worries me. I was going to get us all the regular flu vaccine, well except my husband, he is a sissy when it comes to needles.

    The only time I have gotten the flu shot was the year they miscalculated and it was the first time I ever got the flu and it sucked so bad, it was worse then this H1N1 in how I felt but it only lasted a couple days only 2 days where I was real bad and this one lasted longer.
    Your hubby could possibly get the flumist if it is available as long as he does not have asthma, and is under age 49.

    http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Public.../ucm189691.htm

    Please don't think that this vaccine was rushed. It wasn't. That is propaganda
    from some very vocal groups trying to scare people away from getting vaccinated.

    The estimate of pediatric deaths from swine flu discussed in the CDC briefing
    today is very disturbing. The best way to keep kids safe is to vaccinate.
    http://www.cdc.gov/media/transcripts/2009/t091112.htm
    Last edit by indigo girl on Nov 13, '09
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    Quote from indigo girl
    Your hubby could possibly get the flumist if it is available as long as he does not have asthma, and is under age 49.

    http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Public.../ucm189691.htm

    Please don't think that this vaccine was rushed. It wasn't. That is propaganda
    from some very vocal groups trying to scare people away from getting vaccinated.

    The estimate of pediatric deaths from swine flu discussed in the CDC briefing
    today is very disturbing. The best way to keep kids safe is to vaccinate.
    http://www.cdc.gov/media/transcripts/2009/t091112.htm
    I know of people at my hospital over age 49 who were able to get the flumist by signing a waiver.
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    Quote from *ac*
    I know of people at my hospital over age 49 who were able to get the flumist by signing a waiver.
    Thanks! That is a good idea.
    My neighbor's pediatrician gave her son the Flumist even though he has asthma. Maybe because she knows him well, and the asthma is mild...

    I think, that these are just guidelines anyway.
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    Quote from indigo girl
    Thanks! That is a good idea.
    My neighbor's pediatrician gave her son the Flumist even though he has asthma. Maybe because she knows him well, and the asthma is mild...

    I think, that these are just guidelines anyway.
    My understanding is that the reason it's not officially approved for those over age 49 is that there has been inadequate testing for efficacy; it's not about safety. There's no reason to believe it's not as effective in that age group, the numbers just weren't there for the FDA to give it the OK.

    So it's an off-label use - we do that all the time.
  10. Visit  lamazeteacher profile page
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    Quote from indigo girl
    Get the vax for you and your family when you can. You can be infected more than once like this pediatrician:

    http://dailymail.com/News/200911041062
    Yup! I got it in mid August '09, and again in late Oct.'09. Both times I had Tamiflu in the first 48 hours, so the test wasn't reliable. The first time, it was neg., and from what I read from CDC, the test is reliable only 3-4 days after s/s appear.

    What mystifies me, is why the vaccine prevents the H1N1 infection process, but having the illness, doesn't.
  11. Visit  lamazeteacher profile page
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    Quote from *ac*
    My understanding is that the reason it's not officially approved for those over age 49 is that there has been inadequate testing for efficacy; it's not about safety. There's no reason to believe it's not as effective in that age group, the numbers just weren't there for the FDA to give it the OK.

    So it's an off-label use - we do that all the time.
    Actually what CDC has said is that over 49 'ers may have been exposed to H1N1 before, and could get it again from the attenuated virus. Killed virus is in the injectable vaccine, which has been the preference of most people who want vaccination (except for the needle phobic). Pregnant women and parents/caregivers of infants under 6 mo. of age, as well as 2 - 6 year olds get the injected version, due to the possibility that flumist, which has "attenuated" virus, can cause live virus from the recipient's own replication, to be shed.

    That doen't sound as clear as I'd like, because that could be true of others who receive flumist too, and that's not good..... but then what does seem clear, with this pandemic?

    Since they don't say anything about the possibility of unknown pregnancy in women over 49, that can't be why they don't give flumist to them. So I suppose, as CDC says, "We leave the policy for administration of flu vaccine up to local health departments." (That was the answer I got from CDC when I queried them about the long lines of people waiting for the H1N1 vaccine, being given it in Los Angeles regardless of priority for those at high risk.)
    Last edit by lamazeteacher on Nov 14, '09 : Reason: additions
  12. Visit  lamazeteacher profile page
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    Quote from indigo girl
    Thanks! That is a good idea.
    My neighbor's pediatrician gave her son the Flumist even though he has asthma. Maybe because she knows him well, and the asthma is mild...

    I think, that these are just guidelines anyway.
    And like laws, guidelines are meant to be broken.... Was that boy over 6 years of age?

    I didn't see mention of contraindication of flumist for asthmatics ...... but that certainly makes sense.

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