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I am a last year FNP student....and my university just sent an email mandating both the Influenza and H1N1 vaccines. The state attorney--of the Dept of Public Health does not mandate this for... Read More

  1. Visit  Pat_Pat RN profile page
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    Quote from flightnurse2b
    i wish you all the luck in your decisions, blessed.

    ---i am more worried about the patient's visitors who do not wash their hands, do not follow precautions when posted, cough, sneeze and let their children crawl on the floors in the patient's rooms than i am about me transmitting it to someone. sure, you can blame the nurse who wasn't vaccinated... but aren't you at the same risk if you are immunocompromised and walking around walmart? or picking your kids up from day care? there are immunocompromised people everywhere, not just in hospital beds!

    the only vaccine available now is the live vaccine and because i am pregnant i cannot have it. i wore a mask at work (or my scarlet letter, rather) until my OB took me out of work and i will probably have to continue to wear one when i return from leave. my boyfriend and my mom (both nurses) also not taking the live vaccine for fear that it can shed in their skin and they can pass it to me and baby. they are both also wearing a mask.... and not making anyone sick because of their choices.

    i think the biggest part of prevention is people need to STAY HOME WHEN THEY'RE SICK. not just us, everyone. don't go out and snot all over the cart at publix. don't go to work. don't send your kids to school. it might make a difference.
    AMEN!!!!!

    I don't get any shots that I don't HAVE to get in order to stay employed.
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  2. Visit  wowza profile page
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    Frankly, I think that any healthcare worker who doesnt get vaccinated, especially doctors, nurses and respiratory therapists, is very irresponsible and should not be allowed to work in a hospital during the flu season.

    A few points:
    - The efficacy of the vaccine has already been studied. It is effective
    - This vaccine was created just like every other yearly flu vaccine. It is nothing new
    - You shed the virus well before you see any symptoms. So if you are unvaccinated you will infect people w/o even knowing it.
    - This flu virus is much more deadly to apparently healthy people

    I am fine with health care providers not getting vaccinated. It is their perogative. However, they should not be allowed to work during the flu season.

    Making people get vaccinated is the same idea as making health care workers get tested for TB every year. It not only protects you but protects everyone else around you. Stop being selfish and get vaccinated.
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  3. Visit  DolceVita profile page
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    Quote from ghillbert
    And how, exactly, would that help? You would still have had the vaccine. You would be better off getting a waiver for the vaccine if you really don't want it. Not wanting it because the school tells you to get it, however, is the equivalent of refusing to do something your mother tells you to do, just because she told you.
    Thanks for this because I was trying to express this same idea the other day and couldn't think of an equivalent. This is exactly perfect.
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  4. Visit  DolceVita profile page
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    Quote from pinksugar
    Well, that certainly settles it. Every single health care worker in this country should be vaccinated because your husband is a chronic lung patient and it would be a huge measure of reassurance for you. Does that actually make sense to you? I fail to understand this type of mentality. The whole world does not revolve around you and your husband. No offense - it sure as heck doesn't revolve around me and mine either, but I seriously don't get this type of thought process - "well, it benefits me so let's go for it". How incredibly self-centered.

    I hardly find your post to be a compelling reason for forced vaccinations. Flame away, but I would honestly rather have a few people die than for everyone in this country to lose their rights. RuRnurse makes very good points in his/her post - this is a slippery slope we are traveling down here.
    Wow!

    I suspect the that she used her husband as an example. I think her "right" to peace of mind as well as that of protecting her husband's health is pretty bloody important.

    As someone else said...I suspect you have had your MMR, Hep B vax etc.
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  5. Visit  Lacie profile page
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    I have never been told I was required to take the Hep B, nor TB test to keep my job, I have always signed a waiver #1 and chose to get a CXR yearly instead. I guess we should require all dialysis patients get them rather than making it an option to them on a consent form since they expose us and other pts right on a 3x's a week basis for most likely the remainder of thier life? They also can refuse vaccinations. I get blood work to show I am HbAg negative on a yearly basis. MMR well parents made that decision when I was very young, I didnt. I feel I have that choice and it shouldnt be made for me. I am entitled to make an "informed" decision like anyone else. I hear people posting that we should wear arm bands to show we havent been vaccinated? Wow!!
  6. Visit  SuesquatchRN profile page
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    Quote from Lacie
    I have never been told I was required to take the Hep B, nor TB test to keep my job, I have always signed a waiver #1 and chose to get a CXR yearly instead. I guess we should require all dialysis patients get them rather than making it an option to them on a consent form since they expose us and other pts right on a 3x's a week basis for most likely the remainder of thier life? They also can refuse vaccinations. I get blood work to show I am HbAg negative on a yearly basis. MMR well parents made that decision when I was very young, I didnt. I feel I have that choice and it shouldnt be made for me. I am entitled to make an "informed" decision like anyone else. I hear people posting that we should wear arm bands to show we havent been vaccinated? Wow!!
    I was required to have HepB for nursing school and get a Mantoux annually. I did not have the MMR because I am too old - children were still dying from measles and mumps when I was little. Diptheria was a generation away and I had friends who wore braces from having contracted polio.

    I find it difficult to fathom that there are some health care workers who do not see the difference between the population with which they will be in contact and that of the non-HCW.

    We CHOSE to care for others. We CHOSE to be responsible for the health and welfare of vulnerable people. We CHOSE to take an active role in their health education. We CHOSE professions based on science and empirical evidence, not woo and fear and distrust.
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  7. Visit  CuriousMe profile page
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    Quote from Lacie
    I have never been told I was required to take the Hep B, nor TB test to keep my job, I have always signed a waiver #1 and chose to get a CXR yearly instead. I guess we should require all dialysis patients get them rather than making it an option to them on a consent form since they expose us and other pts right on a 3x's a week basis for most likely the remainder of thier life? They also can refuse vaccinations. I get blood work to show I am HbAg negative on a yearly basis. MMR well parents made that decision when I was very young, I didnt. I feel I have that choice and it shouldnt be made for me. I am entitled to make an "informed" decision like anyone else. I hear people posting that we should wear arm bands to show we havent been vaccinated? Wow!!
    Two points:

    No, the dialysis patients, are the patients, they don't have to get vaccinated to protect the health care professionals, they have no responsibility to protect you, that's completely backwards.....that would be like the firefighters expecting you to run into the burning building to save them....doesn't work that way.

    And no one is saying that health care workers shouldn't have a choice about whether they should be vaccinated (no one's saying you should be held down and vaccinated).

    They're just wondering whether it's wise or safe for an un-vaccinated health care worker to work clinically if they're not vaccinated. Whether potentially introducing a preventable risk to patients who are already medically compromised is in the patient's best interest. The CDC has shown that wearing a mask is just not that effective and a person with the virus can start shedding it a day or so before showing symptoms....so, how does an un-vaccnated health care worker protect their patients?
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  8. Visit  lamazeteacher profile page
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    Most clinics that administer vaccines do present information regarding possible side effects and known complications regarding the vaccine to be given/offered, which those taking it must sign. At doctors' offices, there are also copies of that information. This is the age of "informed consent".

    That said, schools do have the right, given expert opinion regarding it, to require students to have immunizations, as classes are held in closed rooms that recirculate the air everyone breathes in them. Occasionally exceptions are made due to specific health history.

    I remember wailing and sobbing as a five year old, when my class went for chest x-rays, in 1944. The principal held me on his lap (probably couldn't do that now) and softly explained why it was necessary. That helped me deal with that huge machine there that seemed (and was) so ominous. It was dangerous, but unknown those days, that exposure to the radiation could have bad effects, and I can only imagine the rads shed on all of us, with no lead lined room to protect anyone - we all were in the same big room with the radiology tech and our teachers, as each child received his/her dose of radiation, at least 100 times.

    It's circumstances such as those that make each generation a little more wary when confronted with a new, evil appearing procedure. Since none of us could have been pregnant, although some of the teachers could have been - no known teratogenic result occurred (that we know about). However I still wonder.......

    That principal's kindness gave me perspective with which I've benefited my entire life. I'm grateful to him for his caring acceptance of my earlier mode of behavior. I've become more thoughtful about others' resistance to being made to do something they dread (although that hasn't been demonstrated by me, so far on this thread), and I still consider the odds before blindly lining up to get vaccinated.
    Lois
    Last edit by lamazeteacher on Oct 17, '09 : Reason: myriads of typos
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  9. Visit  flightnurse2b profile page
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    Quote from CuriousMe
    Two points:

    No, the dialysis patients, are the patients, they don't have to get vaccinated to protect the health care professionals, they have no responsibility to protect you, that's completely backwards.....that would be like the firefighters expecting you to run into the burning building to save them....doesn't work that way.

    And no one is saying that health care workers shouldn't have a choice about whether they should be vaccinated (no one's saying you should be held down and vaccinated).

    They're just wondering whether it's wise or safe for an un-vaccinated health care worker to work clinically if they're not vaccinated. Whether potentially introducing a preventable risk to patients who are already medically compromised is in the patient's best interest. The CDC has shown that wearing a mask is just not that effective and a person with the virus can start shedding it a day or so before showing symptoms....so, how does an un-vaccnated health care worker protect their patients?
    you make excellent points.

    working in a non-clinical area was not offered to anyone at my hospital. they actually have run out of the vaccine for the nursing staff, anyways, and don't know when they will get more. i actually offered to work discharge, telephone triage, monitor tech, medical records when i was still working and was told by my director there was "no reason" why i shouldn't care for a patient with the swine flu while pregnant. i was actually wearing the mask before it was mandated.

    i understand that there has been extra clinical trial done on pregnant woman for this vaccine, one of them was done at the hospital in NC that i used to work for.... but who is to say how it will affect the babies if they have not been born yet... it may take years.... i am not willing to take the vaccine for this reason, after asking my OB and multiple other physicians their opinions. would you be willing, if you were pregnant, to take this vaccine?
  10. Visit  CuriousMe profile page
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    Quote from flightnurse2b
    you make excellent points.

    working in a non-clinical area was not offered to anyone at my hospital. they actually have run out of the vaccine for the nursing staff, anyways, and don't know when they will get more. i actually offered to work discharge, telephone triage, monitor tech, medical records when i was still working and was told by my director there was "no reason" why i shouldn't care for a patient with the swine flu while pregnant. i was actually wearing the mask before it was mandated.

    i understand that there has been extra clinical trial done on pregnant woman for this vaccine, one of them was done at the hospital in NC that i used to work for.... but who is to say how it will affect the babies if they have not been born yet... it may take years.... i am not willing to take the vaccine for this reason, after asking my OB and multiple other physicians their opinions. would you be willing, if you were pregnant, to take this vaccine?
    A good question.

    However, in my case I would get vaccinated, but not because of work....if I was going to be working clinically over the next few months and not be vaccinated, I wouldn't work. I don't know how I would work that out, I'm guessing it would be something I would have to figure out (ie work with my supervisors for another assignment, use leave, take a leave-of-absence, or find another job). But I couldn't in good conscience work clinically (both for my and my patients protection) if there was a vaccine available and I didn't choose to take it (for valid reasons, but still a choice).

    Personally though, I would get the vaccine if I was pregnant....but that is a personal decision. First, the CDC states that the risks for hospitalization and death have been higher for pregnant women who get the 2009 H1N1 virus as compared to the rest of the population who got the 2009 H1N1 virus.

    Additionally, I have asthma and while we've finally gotten it to the point that it's usually very, well controlled, it can get very ugly, very fast when I get a respiratory infection. I don't get colds, I get bronchitis....like within a day and if I don't get on antibiotics and prednisone within that day it's already pneumonia within another day or so...then I'm in for a couple months of oral steroids. (Thankfully this rarely happens, I'm a fanatic with hand hygiene, get my flu shot early in the season each year, avoid sick friends, keep well rested, eat well ,etc....I'm very careful....but when I do get sick, I almost always get very sick). So, for me, the risks of getting the H1n1 flu while pregnant would far outweigh the possibility of risks from getting the shot.

    So, I agree that getting the vaccine is a personal decision, and I don't know of anyone who's looking to take that decision away. The place where I, and other's I've seen, have have concerns is when it comes to being unvaccinated and working clinically (obviously, if they ran out of the vaccine, they ran out....you can only do what you can do...but once that protection is available....well, you see my point.)
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  11. Visit  LaneyB profile page
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    would you be willing, if you were pregnant, to take this vaccine?

    I would get the vaccine if I were pregnant, for a few reasons. First, it is manufactured in the same way as the seasonal vaccine, only using a different strain of virus. The seasonal flu vaccine has been used for some time in pregnant women. Second, pregnant women appear to have a higher risk of being hospitalized if they have H1N1. And third, and maybe most important if I were pregnant, it is believed that the mother receiving the vaccine protects the infant after birth. I would be pretty nervous about a baby being born right during the time H1N1 is going strong.

    Here is some info from the CDC:

    When a pregnant woman gets a flu shot, it can protect both her and her baby. Research has found that pregnant women who had a flu shot get sick less often with the flu than do pregnant women who did not get a flu shot. Babies born to mothers who had a flu shot in pregnancy also get sick with flu less often than do babies whose mothers did not get a flu shot.
    Is the 2009 H1N1 flu shot safe for pregnant women?

    The seasonal flu shot has been given to millions of pregnant women over many years. Flu shots have not been shown to cause harm to pregnant women or their babies. The 2009 H1N1 flu vaccine is being made in the same way and at the same places where the seasonal flu vaccine is made.

    I have been vaccinated already, and I also vaccinated my 2 children (ages 13 and 16). I am far more terrifed of one of them ending up being one of the kids with no known health risks who is dead because of H1N1.
  12. Visit  KarafromPhilly profile page
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    I think it would be helpful for some of the nurses who are objecting to vaccination to go back and review the basic principles of epidemiology.
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  13. Visit  nurse_mo1986 profile page
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    Ok, seriously? please...just stop #@##@'in and take it LOL...Are you the same pple that don't want your kids to take the HPV because "my kids not having sex so why should she need it?" LOL-if you only knew what your kid was really doing these days.
    Bottom line, if you're not willing to take adequate precautions against a pandemic, then don't go crying that it's the governments fault when true chaos arises.


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