False Negative Swine Flu Tests

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It may be happening more than we ever realize, those negative test results occurring in patients with real flu like symptoms, that is. The CDC admits these flu tests are not always accurate. It took 3 tests for them to get a positive result in this now terminal case. Now, this is not so unusual a happening, say with the H5N1 bird flu virus, and there it is certainly cause for concern with such a virulent virus, but this Utah woman was diagnosed eventually with the supposedly "mild" swine flu virus. It is not really so important that we always know if someone has swine flu or not, UNLESS they are very sick. If they are, and it really is influenza despite that negative test result, not treating with Tamiflu within the first 48 hours could cost a life.

Indonesian physicians experienced by now in treating H5N1, bird flu cases already know about this. We could benefit from their experience. If they have a very sick patient, and the case looks like bird flu, they treat it with Tamiflu even if the test comes back negative especially if there is another positive case in the family. If they don't, the patient dies. This seems rather elementary, but I guess it is not.

There are many reasons why truly positive cases will return a negative test result. Poor technique in the collection process, improperly stored or handled specimens, a primer that is not up to date with the strain of virus being tested, and even collecting the specimen during the wrong stage of illness will affect the results.

One other reason not relative to this post, but something probably seen rather often in Indonesia, is that if you treat with Tamiflu and then test, your patient is likely to test negative. This is what is seen when "the Tamiflu Blanket" is applied. The Indonesians would blanket a family or an entire village with Tamiflu sometimes when it appeared that cases were spreading human to human in certain parts of the country.

I am fairly certain that there are some other terminal cases that were misdiagnosed or diagnosed only after death. I do know that Judy Trunnel, that unfortunate pregnant woman who died in Texas was only diagnosed at autosy, but I don't know if she was tested before that so if anyone does know about this please post it, or I will look later today. And, the other terminal pregnant case in El Paso, Texas, who died is another one to check on...

I would like to get a sense for how often this may be happening.

Cyndi Bemis, a spokeswoman for the Utah Department of Health, confirmed the adult who died Saturday was a woman but said she did not know if underlying health problems were a factor.

A family member identified the woman as Francine Rushton, 47, and said she contracted the flu about two weeks ago but was initially told it was not the H1N1 type, despite her mother's diagnosis with H1N1 that week.

"She tested negative, so they sent her home and told her to get fluids and rest," said Craig Whitehead, Rushton's brother. Because her mother's health had improved on Tamiflu, the family "begged them to administer Tamiflu" to Rushton, Whitehead said. Doctors said they would not without a positive flu test.

Rushton's third test came back positive, more than a week after she first fell ill, Whitehead said. "By then it was too late," Whitehead said.

Rushton's family is urging flu patients to be vigilant about their symptoms and assertive in seeking treatment.

"Don't take it lightly," Whitehead said. "I sat at work three weeks ago and scoffed, 'What's the big deal?' ... Now I feel differently about it."

There have been 688 confirmed cases of the flu in Utah, including 25 cases among health care workers. A majority of those diagnosed with the virus in Utah have been between the ages of 5 and 24.

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Delayed diagnosis means no Tamiflu was given within that first 48 hours of symptoms.

The recent death of Robert Derzon, a Mill Valley resident and retired U.S. health official, was due to swine flu, his son said Monday.

Health care officials in Canada believe Derzon, who died June 17 while visiting a friend in Orangeville, Ontario, likely contracted the disease after he left Marin on a trip to the East Coast, said his son, Michael Derzon, of Washington state.

Robert Derzon, who was 78, suffered a stroke in 1992 and had a weak heart.

He left Mill Valley on about May 31 and traveled to New York City. On June 2, he attended a ceremony at New York University held in his honor. The university, where he served as associate director of the medical center from 1960 to 1966, created the Robert Derzon Chair in Health & Public Service at its Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service.

It was soon after Derzon arrived in Orangeville, where he was staying with a longtime friend in early June, that he began to feel ill, his son said. But Derzon resisted going to the hospital.

"My dad hated the emergency room," Mike Derzon said.

When Robert Derzon went to the hospital, on June 8 or 9, he was diagnosed as having pneumonia and congestive heart failure. An initial test for swine flu was negative but a second more definitive test came back positive on June 15 or 16, his son said.

"We aren't second-guessing the medical care he got there at all," Michael Derzon said, even though the swine flu diagnosis came late.

Derzon, who served briefly on the Marin Healthcare District board in 2006, helped establish a public hospital authority in New York City in the 1960s and served as director of hospitals and clinics for the University of California at San Francisco. In 1977, he served under President Jimmy Carter as the first administrator of the Healthcare Financing Administration, which united Medicare and Medicaid for the first time.

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The chief nursing officer at MountainView Hospital said Tuesday that the 33-year-old man who died last weekend as a result of the H1N1 virus was treated as though he had the disease from the day he was admitted, despite the fact that he was not diagnosed until well into his 13-day hospitalization.

According to registered nurse Helen Vos, John Talley told hospital officials he had been ill "for more than a week" before he turned up at the hospital's emergency room for treatment of flulike symptoms on June 15.

She said doctors suspected the H1N1 virus, also known as swine flu, but a so-called "rapid" test came back negative.

Though the anti-viral drug Tamiflu is largely effective only when given in the first 48 hours after an individual shows symptoms, Vos said doctors working on Talley quickly gave him the drug in hopes it could still help fight off the virus.

"We had all the specialists available immediately working on the case," she said. "He was seriously ill."

Nothing, Vos said, stopped Talley's feverish body from shutting down.

"He was critically ill almost from the first day," said Vos, who noted that the hospital followed the isolation protocols recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in treating Talley. "He was supported by equipment for breathing."

Talley's family, who held a memorial service for him Tuesday at Palm Mortuary-Summerlin, was unavailable for comment. Physicians said that Talley had no underlying medical conditions prior to contracting H1N1.

It wasn't until a couple of days before Talley died that doctors found through a sophisticated Polymerase Chain Reaction test that what they first suspected was correct: He had the H1N1 virus.

The state's chief health officer, Dr. Mary Guinan, told the Review-Journal on Monday that she wants physicians to immediately give the more sophisticated test to patients hospitalized with flulike symptoms. Too often medical officials have found, she said, that "rapid tests" register a false negative.

The diagnosis of H1N1 could be critical, given that the best treatment, Tamiflu or Relenza, is most effective in the first 48 hours after symptoms are seen.

Officials with the Southern Nevada Health District reported Tuesday that two of the hospitalized patients with H1N1 are in serious condition and the other is "improving."

An emergency room physician who contacted the Review-Journal on Tuesday said he believes the health district, which for several weeks has followed the CDC recommendations by tracking only H1N1 cases requiring hospitalization, is doing the public a disservice by issuing a number of "confirmed cases" that make it appear that the Las Vegas Valley isn't hard hit by the virus.

District health officials on Monday said Clark County has 80 confirmed cases, which the district's chief health officer called "the tip of the iceberg."

"You can bet the 80 number is really the tip of the iceberg," said the emergency room physician, who asked for anonymity because he worried that his hospital might see his comments as negative and take a job action against him. "We passed 80 way back in March. That number is now meaningless. I don't get swine flu cases on every shift, but almost."

Most, he said, aren't sick enough to require hospitalization.

The physician said every patient he sees who tests positive for a strain of influenza A receives Tamiflu, regardless of the outcome of another test H1N1.

"I'm treating all my patients who have flulike symptoms like they have the swine flu," he said.

The physician said he understands the CDC's reasoning in concentrating only on hospitalized cases. District officials have said it is established that the virus is everywhere in the county and precautions must be taken.

"Yes, the swine flu is really here," the physician said. "That's been established. And we have to act like it is. But it's not helping people take it serious when we make it sound like we have just a few cases here."

As of Friday, state officials said the rest of Nevada had 160 cases and Clark County 80.

The CDC now estimates that more than 1 million people in the United States have been infected with the H1N1 strain.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/49591797.html

This is the same patient.

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=10612337

Southern Nevada health officials say a 33-year-old Clark County man infected with the swine flu virus has died.

The Southern Nevada Health District said Monday that the man had no underlying heath conditions and had been hospitalized since June 15. He died Sunday.

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Quick question - what are the early signs and symptoms of H1N1? I work occasionally in a small community hospital ER, and am very interested in the information you're posting. Thank you, Indigo Girl and others.

Early s/s of H1N1 include a severe sore throat, with some induration, cough, fever, possible nausea and fatigue. Its onset is sudden. There may be secondary, later and more serious s/s involving life threatening respiratory involvement.

I just saw your post. Hope my answer is timely for you. :o

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