A Link To Some Facts on the H1N1 Vaccine Controversy - page 4

A nice grouping of facts and reference linked info on the H1N1 vaccine controversy, as well as a list of the Vaccine manufacturers' product spec sheets at the bottom.... Read More

  1. by   polish nurse
    If "only the needle tips are changed"? OMG-WHERE is this??? For me, it's not the safety of the vaccine that is the issue (although I do have hesitations) it's the fact that it is being mandated. Are teachers being required to be vaccinated? After all, they have day-day contact with one of the most vulnerable populations.
  2. by   indigo girl
    Quote from polish nurse
    If "only the needle tips are changed"? OMG-WHERE is this??? For me, it's not the safety of the vaccine that is the issue (although I do have hesitations) it's the fact that it is being mandated. Are teachers being required to be vaccinated? After all, they have day-day contact with one of the most vulnerable populations.
    Good point about teachers.

    The NY state decision is not smart. I understand that a lawsuit has been filed so we shall see where this is going to go.
  3. by   ZenaBethune
    Swine Flu Scam - The Complete Idiot's Guide

    The Swine Flu is an orchestrated attempt to spread fear and chaos into the population and to try to get people vaccinated, which everyone should know contains mercury that damages your nervous system. Mercury, of course, is one of the most toxic substances you can put in a human body. It is a heavy metal known to contribute to neurological disorders, More..


    Woman disabled by this years flu shot
    Thursday, 15 October 2009


    A key doctor's association in Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany, said on Tuesday it is not going to assist in organizing the mass"swine flu" vaccination campaign due to start on October 26th.

    The doctor's organization is withdrawing from the "swine flu" vaccination campaign allegedly over a disagreement about payment for seasonal flu shots.

    The decision by the doctors will be another blow to the German Health Ministry, determined to push through its mass vaccination campaign with the untested and toxic "swine flu" jab in record tempo.


    Sanofi's Panenza: the secret and safe vaccine for the "elite"?

    Doctor admits on CNN his children are not getting the "swine flu" jab

    Health care workers in Nevada shun the "flu mist": only 897 people in southern Nevada take toxic spray
    WHO has recommended the replacement of the current seasonal influenza vaccine strain with a virus that has components of the pandemic H1N1 virus, following a meeting of experts" from the Global Influenza Surveillance Network.

    The decision by WHO to alter components of the H3N2 virus in this years seasonal flu vaccine to make it more similar to a H1N1 pandemic virus will fuel fears that WHO is manipulating the H1N1 virus to increase the likelihood of a pandemic emerging when people take the swine flu" vaccine soon after their seasonal flu shot.

    Fair and Balanced reporting......now we go to the CDC site and here are numerous articles , on what the CDC is telling:
    Information for Clinicians and Health Care Professionals

    TABLE. Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 monovalent vaccines approved for use in the United States, October 6, 2009

    NIH Prepares to Launch 2009 H1N1 Influenza Vaccine Trial in People with Asthma

    "People with severe asthma often take high doses of glucocorticoids that can suppress their immune system, placing them at greater risk for infection and possibly serious disease caused by 2009 H1N1 influenza virus," says NIAID Director Anthony S. Fauci, M.D. "We need to determine the optimal dose of 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine that can be safely administered to this at-risk population and whether one or two doses are needed to produce an immune response that is predictive of protection."


    on the other hand..........Vaccinations Cause Food Allergies!!!
    You are visiting Barbara Feick Gregory's Vaccines & Food Allergies Information website
    Since vaccinations have become standard medical practice, it is true that certain illnesses have decreased. Those illnesses decreased 95% BEFORE the vaccinations were introduced. Now that we have so many vaccines - we have more illness than before but it has changed form. Now we have allergies, asthma, autism, and who knows what else - caused, aggravated and/or made worse from vaccinations.

    scroll down and find these video's

    http://brainguardmd.com/ - Dr. Moulden: the video on his website shows how vaccines are causing damage and why. He has a video showing the blood flow:

    White blood cells roll along blood vessel walls. Red blood cells are smaller than white blood cells. Hyperstimulation of the non-specific immune system, by foreign substances (like vaccines), causes many white blood cells to roll along blood vessel walls. Too many white blood cells can impair blood flow, causing ischemia. Hyperstimulated white blood cells can block smaller red blood cell access to tiny capillaries causing oxygen delivery. White blood cells rolling inside blood vessel.

    Talks about hypercoagulation of the blood.

    White blood cells are bigger than red blood cells and cannot "bend" through small pipes. Immune hyperstimulation increases white blood cell firm adhesion, increases resistance to blood flow in capillaries and causes hypoxia. White blood cell rolling and vascular endothelum adhesion factor up-regulation. With increased strength, clumps of RBCs are formed which lodge at the capillary entrance. They are more difficult to remove and may block he capillary permanently. As shear rates are reduced, red cells aggregate and tend to obstruct the capillary entrance and slowly break apart with time. As the strength of aggregation is increased, red cell clumps are formed which are more difficult to disrupt at the entrance to capillaries. Red cell roleaux are formed as sheer rates are reduced and red blood cells aggregate. As the number of white blood cells adhering to the walls of venules increases, the resistance to flow increases dramatically. As few as 10 WBCs adhering per 100 microns of venule length can result in a two-fold increase in hemodynamic resistance.

    He shows facial asymmetry in children that could only have been caused by stroke. His research was ignored. Schizophrenia, autism, and vaccines are dangerous and causing strokes.

    The first ever study comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated children was completed with startling results.

    1. Vaccines Caused Autism

    2. Vaccines Caused Asthma

    3. Vaccines Caused ADHD
    A few links to help you check my data:

    Rep Maloneys initial bill proposal:

    Summary of Study:

    Article on Study:

    A couple of My Previous Diaries on This Subject:
  4. by   ZenaBethune

    Definition: The Big Lie (German: Groe Lge) is a propaganda technique. It was defined by Adolf Hitler in his 1925 autobiography Mein Kampf as a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously"



    Vaccine Damnation: Retired Vaccine Researcher Speaks Out on Vaccine Dangers

    I was never told that one of the potential "spin offs" of my child being vaccinated would be that he would live every day of his life under threat of death!


    :redpinkhe And we are told that "Everything is OK"......it is isn't it ? Well, we know we are all human beings just trying to love one another and eliminate fears and to hug and comfort one another .......
    I am so happy however, that I have lived my 65 yrs without 109 vaccinations and 109 doses of Mercury........
    When I grew up we got the Measles, the Mumps, the Chicken pox......we didn't get any vaccinations before school, maybe a DPT series and that was it. Two of my friends got Polio and had no real side effects from getting it....yes they were quarantined for a time .....I did not get polio however. A friend of my parents had had polio as a kid and he was paralyzed and in a wheelchair for most of his life. I have taken care of very few people in my nursing history who had to be in an 'iron lung" while hospitalized, due to the disease of polio.
    I received the Smallpox vaccine at the age of 7 or 8.....I find out now that Smallpox is really 'foot and mouth disease of the Cow.....known as Cowpox! Again, why does government vaccinate us against animal diseases?????? In 1914 when there was a Smallpox out break....they vaccinated people again against an animal disease and millions of humans died from the vaccine......! I have taken care of many patients with Phemphigus Vulgaris......patients with large fluid filled blisters on their body.....we had to dress the blisters , I used gloves , gown and mask......not only for my protection I guess, because doctors never warned us of obtaining anything from the wounds but we were told to protect the patient from any bacteria that we might transmit to the patient......I read now that Phemphigus blisters are really CowPox........or Smallpox.....and think of the people that that infection disease could have spread !!! That is what I don't like is sometimes in nursing we do not get all of the facts and it can and does jeopardize our health and as well as the hospital the patients and their families and the community..........I practiced my nursing as a young woman trusting the doctors completely,,,,,,,but always using my critical thinking skills.....now I found out that I missed one! I kept asking them what is in that fluid and what caused it????
    No one could answer me, not even in then one of the most prestigious teaching hospitals in the nation......

    So, my research will continue.......its something I love to do...the reason I pass it along is so that more and more nurses will stop and think about what they are doing to other human beings and lives . WE are the administrators of the doctors orders, when it comes to drugs or vaccines........I certainly would not want to bring harm to another person by giving them something that is not approved or not safe for them now or in the long run........The doctors and pediatricians I worked for years ago would never think of giving a child or newborn or a baby six injections of vaccinations each month .....no our doctors knew that a child's immune system and digestive system is still developing and would be compromised if given before the age of 3 months.....we were always told the mothers breast milk gives the child continued immunity for the baby.
    That is why breast feeding was encouraged. Besides that the little babies muscles are not even large enough to be able to inject all of that mercury contained fluid into.........Plus, our doctors then knew that a fever could occur after one vaccination, let alone six.......they were more concerned that the baby would get a fever from the vaccinations and could go into seizures.......now I know why a vaccination could cause a seizrure........a stroke from the articles I have read...
    This is awful in my mind, my heart just breaks over what is being done to us and our children in this country.........I got into nursing to see cures happen to see people get well.......not to see what is causing more disease and to see our profession go from compassion for the ill to capitalizing on disease. I am glad I am out of the profession.....though I loved it and was very useful while in it........but things have to change people.........wake up..........
  5. by   HonestRN
    Quote from ZenaBethune
    I find out now that Smallpox is really 'foot and mouth disease of the Cow.....known as Cowpox! Again, why does government vaccinate us against animal diseases?????? In 1914 when there was a Smallpox out break....they vaccinated people again against an animal disease
    You are confused. Cowpox and smallpox are NOT the same virus nor do they cause the same disease however they are related. Exposure to cowpox lent immunity to smallpox as observed by Edward Jenner who went on to formulate a vaccine against smallpox using the fluid from cowpox blisters.

  6. by   indigo girl
    ZenaBethune, most of us are professional nurses here. We are asking for credible information.

    We have again been given more links to unknown sources that claim to have the inside track that all of us are too ignorant to be aware of. We don't know anything about some of these websites or the credentials of those professing to tell us what the facts are, hence the request for peer reviewed data. Why would we believe anything those websites are tellling us? A brief review of some of them revealed many half truths and distorted information.

    It would make far more sense to only post one article at a time with a link that
    clearly dicusses the info meant to be conveyed. Ideally that link would lead to the
    exact information that we are supposed to see, so no one has to guess which article
    on the page they are being referred to like they do now. These reams of links and
    articles that do not seem to be connected to each other are overwhelming.
  7. by   Laidback Al
    Quote from ZenaBethune
    Google this : H1N1 flu vaccine made from monkey kidneys' or dead fetus lung tissue and see that there are 459 articles that you can read and study and then come to your own conclusions.
    I googled "nurses and H1N1 misinformation" and got over 20,000 hits. Your right. I have come to my own conclusions.
  8. by   ZenaBethune
    :spin:In response to your reply to me.......did you read any of the 459 articles that I suggested? Did you read any of the articles that you suggested? Or are you like congress who doesn't read the bills......?
    Here are some of them that read........and if you read them you will get the understanding from a different angle and perception than you apparently have
    This one is from EMS .....and a wife that is a nurse....http://www.emsresponder.com/article/...&siteSection=1
    Oct. 13--A dozen/12 ems workers or fewer, of the 550 emergency first responders with the Las Vegas Fire Department received the inhaled H1N1 FluMist vaccine Saturday, an indication they are probably concerned about the problems that could arise from a vaccination involving a live virus, an official said Monday.

    "I know I'm leery about a live virus going into me," said department spokesman Tim Szymanski.
    He said most department personnel may have "elected to wait for the shot ... My wife is a nurse and she feels the same way."
    Dr. John Middaugh, director of the health district's division of community health.

    "There are a lot of myths and misinformation being circulated out there," he said. "I can understand people's concern," he said. "People want to know it's safe for them and for others. It's just natural."

    Talk shows and the Internet are full of concerns that the government rushed the H1N1 vaccine. A recent poll by Consumer Reports found that only 35 percent of parents surveyed would definitely have their children vaccinated.

    Theoretically, Skinner said Monday, someone who had recently received a FluMist vaccination could spread the virus to someone who was profoundly immunocompromised, such as AIDS patients.

    "So if they get vaccinated with FluMist, we want them to wait seven days before returning to work with severely immunocompromised patients," he said.

    Middaugh said the wait is "an extra precaution."
    Here's one and it has nothing to do with the Flu Vaccine but Healthcare......like I said how many did you read???

    Death by Misinformation: What Health Care Reform Is Up Against
    July 31, 2009
    At a recent town hall meeting, a man stood up and told Representative Bob Inglis to "keep your government hands off my Medicare." The congressman, a Republican from South Carolina, tried to explain that Medicare is already a government program-but the voter, Mr. Inglis said, "wasn't having any of it."

    by the way, from your expert Congressman, did they clear up your misinformation in those Tea Party's , or did they just tell you , sorry I don't know what is in the bill yet.? And is your congressman admitting that he or she is got or is going to get the H1N1 x4 Flu Vaccines? Cuz, my Senator Levin's office said they are going to get it!
    There is much misinformation about H1N1 flu, Turner says. For the most reliable, complete and current information, she recommends the following two government websites: www.cdc.gov/h1n1 or www.flu.gov.

    ( Notice in the all of the articles, that I have read so far...they claim there is misinformation but no one is really answering the questions or giving any answers or clarifying the ingredients.....
    I wish to clarify the words that I used in this original blog I did .......you all have picked up on that and apparently do not understand the making of vaccines as well as I do.....so when I said .the vaccine was made from., that is what I meant ..........and I want to emphasize that its what it was Cultured from......which there is admitted knowledge of that fact on the "patent storm' website...they will tell you each Big Pharma, what they grew the virus in or obtained it from ........therefore, it is in the vaccine itself....)
    I know its shocked your common sense as it did mine. I am retired now so I have plenty of time to study these things...if I were still working , I wouldn't take the time of day to look all of these websites up for myself......I would probably go by what the TV says................or the two CDC and FDA sites are saying.....
    .I wouldn't have time to look up what a researcher's report said when in 1976 at Fort Dix, :usarm:the new recruits were vaccinated with the Swine Flu and several died and many more got the Swine flu/and scientists wondered why? and tried to seek out the reason when none of them were around pigs........and when that happened.....the full investigation and study was done, pages and pages of it.....which I read and understood....
    I got the Swine flu shot too in 1976 and thought I was going to die on the way home...my heart started tachying:heartbeat and I couldn't breathe. I got home and it subsided and a week or so later.....President Ford comes on the news after he the President had mandated that Flu Vaccination for our entire nation and said......The Swine Flu cannot be transmitted from pigs to humans....sorry about that we were wrong....After many died from the vaccine and 20,000 got Gullian Buerie..

    So, my dear fellow nurses, possibly you are too young to remember that.......but no way will I ever get the Swine Flu shot again:redlight:......and rightfully so don't yah think.....Of course I want to do the right thing, but I don't want to be told something and later find out it was the wrong thing........Look at the drugs out there that we have given to patients trusting the doctors and the big pharma only to find out they caused heart attacks or death and were later recalled........come on people admit it ........I don't trust them....when this years :flmngmd:2009 scare tactic came out in the News from our government again to mandate the Swine Flu Vaccine again and mention of marital law and fines and quarantines started being mentioned again....my ears perked up and I started studying this .......:msk:

    I might ask who really has the misinformation.....why do you not question authority fellow humans......at least make them back it up like you have this human being..........if they avoid the giving you the answers then that ought to say something.....ever heard of how people handle lies? avoidance, denial, lies can't be back up with anything but another lie, where the truth always has the facts to back it up..................yahda yahda yahda..........
    Everything is OK..........ilyc:
  9. by   jrw03282009
    Quote from ZenaBethune
    In regards to the H1N1 Vaccine. I know what has been facturally put in the vaccine, therefore, I will not take it. IT is made from Asian people's bodies, and dead bodies from 1918 which had the Spanish Flu. And now they are saying that they are putting in Live Virus's....No thank-you, I don't want someone else's DNA mixed with mine.......nor do I want 1000 times the amount of Thiosal /Mercury, nor do I want Squalene , or monkey kidneys' or dead fetus lung tissue .......no thank-you.
    I won't drink your Kool-Aid ! All of the people who have reportedly, died of the H1N!, did they get Vaccinated first and then died of it? Has anyone read that the there is a NO LIABILITY CLAUSE for all drug companies, doctors and hospitals who give the people the H1N! vaccines ....? Doesn't that tell you something?

    Has anyone read the "Solari Report", the government wants to Depopulate about 90 % of the people on earth.....especially the unemployed, the poor, elderly and unborns.....its a good way to do it.....Mandate a Worldwide Vaccine for a created pandemic, include in the vaccine live virus so in case it doesn't become a pandemic naturally it will help to spread it to be one......

    Most flu's originate in warm , highly populated countries. Why take that flu and then spread it around the world to all of the people....when it might have just stayed in that locality and gotten only them. How do we know that this is not really "germ warfare"against us? How do we know if it isn't a way to bail out the medical field which is collapsing due to 50 million or more who do not have medical insurance and do not go to doctors anymore......?
    Why are doctors having to "moonlight" in E.R.s now in order to make money? Didn't Obama bail out the doctors when he said he was going to give each doctor $135K to get their offices onto a nationwide Medical Data port to nationalize our medical records , plus much more of private information. Medical coding software and the best user friendly one only costs $1,000. The worst one costs $100,000. According to my interview with a doctor who tried both.

    While nurses have gone without an increase in their wages for the past 20 years.!

    So was that a another disguised bail out for the doctors....while the patients go bankrupt going to them??????with our tax money?????? If you haven't figured out how our government has criminally come up with these programs than you are living in a dream world.......! The fraud that goes on with our medical records and billing is atrocious! The waiting to get into to see "specialists" for friends of mine with acute problems is unethical but financially lucrative for the all doctors to get a piece of the $ pie.

    The fact that there are 500,000 LPN"s out of work across our nation and our hospitals train a off the street person 3 days on the job to do the job a LPN went to school for in a Board Certified Nursing school for 12 months and became licensed through the state board of nursing.......and you let the untrained person to do invasive treatments and assist the RN in healthcare......and then wonder why Healthcare is way below what it used to be in this country.....The lack of knowledge and lack of wisdom in the healthcare field is why it is not a good thing for the patient but a profitable thing for the for profit administrators of our hospitals across this nation. If a LPN was put back to work we wouldn't have a nursing healthcare shortage in this nation and hospitals would not have to subcontract out high paid travelers and foreign nurses, and doctors. What the National Board of Nurses has done to our profession by allowing a Medical Assistant or a off the street person to perform what a nurse was licensed to do is absolutely unethical and immoral in my opinion.

    They are being hired for doctors offices and being used by the doctor to do my H &P, report my labs to me and to prescribe my medications. All things if I would have done as nurse I could have lost my license...but they do not have one to loose.....If I hadn't of been a nurse.....I would not have caught all of the mistakes I have had with my healthcare. That should not be happening in a country that has always honored our education and our compassion and our experience

    Ignorance is Bliss ! And most people think the Bliss is truth ! The Bliss is smokescreen, so you don't know the facts!

    I am sorry I ranted on about what I have been made aware of in my life but nursing is now controlled by the AMA and the for profit corporation hospitals. I had a AMA member / internist, once tell us at the nurses station 13 years ago.....you nurses can go get your BSN's, M.A's, your PH.D.s all you want , but in a few years when we own the hospitals and the insurance companies and we want to pay you $12 a hour, you will either take it and work, or you will be without a job. Because, we can hire a nurses aide to do the work you do! What do you think about that arrogant doctor!!!! I guess he was right though wasn't he......while the woman on the National Board of Nursing allowed it to happen.......

    Have a good Sunday to all the survivors......of the flu and of the nursing jobs.......take care!
    I'm supposed to laugh now...... right??
  10. by   ZenaBethune
    Don't ask me what your " suppose to"do.......we are free human beings , I would not want to hinder your freedom to be who you are.......so you do what you are free to do.......that is something that only the you inside of you can know......unless you want to share it with people that love you . I love you for who you are. You are free to express through speech, laughter,tears, gratitude,anger, whatever you hold inside of you will be understood because we are all of the human race and we know each other because we are alike and yet very different. I love all personalities . So feel free to express who you are......, express what you have learned in life and what you have found out on the subject discussed, your free to agree or free to disagree.........But be Free! Everything is OK! .:levcmmt::ilyc:
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