New national nurses union forms

PICUPNP · Dec 27, 2009

Sorry but it didn't seem to appear in your list of MOST unionized states.

nicurn001 · Dec 28, 2009

But is it a RTW ( Right To Wrong ) state , that doesn't quite fit in your view , that all nurse in a RTW wouldn't allow themselve to fall to the charms of unionism ?.

I am not aware of any Forced Union States , all unionized workforces I know of participated in a free election to unionize and if they wanted to could vote the union out again , by a free vote .

PICUPNP · Dec 28, 2009

So what you're saying then is if I came to work at a unionized facility in a non RTW state, I wouldn't have to pay dues? It is forced unionism. If you have to pay dues in order to be employed, that is forced unionism. By the way, what is the % of unionized nurses in Nevada??

Why is that Right To Work states are so bad? Is it because the unions can't FORCE the nurses to pay dues? Unions aren't that interested unless they think there is financial benefit? Please tell me what is so wrong with Right To Work???

allnurses Guide · Dec 28, 2009

Nurses at St. Mary's in Reno choose to pay dues. They achieved safe staffing ratios!

They voted in 2008 and won their great contract in ten months!

Saint Mary's Reno RNs Win Landmark Nevada Pact
Registered nurses at Saint Mary's Regional Medical Center in Reno won a groundbreaking tentative agreement with hospital officials early this morning on their first-ever collective bargaining pact that sets a new Nevada standard for patient safety protections and enhanced conditions for RNs.
Establishment of hospital-wide minimum, specific RN-to-patient staffing ratios is a centerpiece of the proposed pact, the California Nurses Association/ National Nurses Organizing Committee (CNA/NNOC), which represents 500 RNs at Saint Mary's, said this morning. Saint Mary's RNs voted to join CNA/NNOC last December. ...
...The ratios, which match those won by CNA/NNOC in California law and hundreds of California hospitals, and strengthened through enforceable contract law, are the first-ever California-style, hospital-wide ratios achieved for any RNs outside California. "We set initial goals for staffing ratios and have gone well beyond our expectations. We are so proud to be the first state outside of California to have achieved the California ratios in our contract," said neo-natal intensive care Unit RN Marylea Hall....
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS211834+12-Sep-2008+PRN20080912

allnurses Guide · Dec 28, 2009

In 2009 1,100 nurses at Henderson and Las Vegas hospitals who voted to join CNA/NNOC, now are part of NNU!

1,100 St. Rose RNs Will Unite With 10,500 Other CNA/NNOC Nurses in 30 Catholic Healthcare West Hospitals
Registered nurses at three St. Rose Dominican hospitals in Henderson and Las Vegas Wednesday night voted by 76 percent to join the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee....
http://www.nursestalkaboutunions.com/news-updates/st-rose-las-vegas-nurses-vote-to-join-cnannoc-2009-05-76

Seems like the percentage of unionized nurses in Nevada is rapidly increasing.

allnurses Guide · Dec 28, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/user/nationalnursesunited

rn power: national nurses united founding convention december 2009

from: nationalnursesunited | december 16, 2009 |

rns across the country unite in a single organization, national nurses united. their goal: staffing ratios that protect nurses and patients; rns' rights to organize and patients' rights to quality care.

"when you take one of us on, you take all of us on," is the message as rns from maine, minnesota, massachusetts, michigan, hawaii, nevada, arizona, california, texas, and many other states realize a lifelong goal - the formation of the largest union of it's kind dedicated to full-time patient advocacy and real healthcare reforms

Chico David, BSN, RN · Dec 28, 2009

So what you're saying then is if I came to work at a unionized facility in a non RTW state, I wouldn't have to pay dues? It is forced unionism. If you have to pay dues in order to be employed, that is forced unionism. By the way, what is the % of unionized nurses in Nevada??
Why is that Right To Work states are so bad? Is it because the unions can't FORCE the nurses to pay dues? Unions aren't that interested unless they think there is financial benefit? Please tell me what is so wrong with Right To Work???

Just as a new immigrant who chooses to come to this country has to obey the laws and pay the taxes that are in place when they come here, a new employee who comes to work in a unionized work place has to obey the rules that were put in place by a democratic process before they came to work there. Even in the most unionized states there are still plenty of non-union hospitals, where the workers get to benefit from the standards that have been set through the hard work and unity of their unionized fellows. If you don't like working in a unionized environment, don't work in one. When new administrators took over our hospital in the 90s and started increasing workloads, cutting salary and benefits, etc, they told us: "if you don't like it, go somewhere else." And I would say the same to someone who doesn't want to work in a unionized setting. (Or you can always do the hard work of organizing to vote the union out, which is easy if the union hasn't been serving its members well, impossible if it has.) But we didn't go away. We stayed, we organized, and now our salaries and working conditions are better than ever, our benefits are protected, and all those administrators are long gone.

nicurn001 · Dec 28, 2009

So what you're saying then is if I came to work at a unionized facility in a non RTW state, I wouldn't have to pay dues? It is forced unionism. If you have to pay dues in order to be employed, that is forced unionism. By the way, what is the % of unionized nurses in Nevada??
Why is that Right To Work states are so bad? Is it because the unions can't FORCE the nurses to pay dues? Unions aren't that interested unless they think there is financial benefit? Please tell me what is so wrong with Right To Work???

The facility that is unionized took a democratic vote , to join the union , one of the factors the whole electorate is aware of is that if / when they get their first contract , they will start paying dues , for the services the union provides ( like any other service you recieve either by choice eg.cable tv or by mandate eg. taxes , you pay for the) . If you pay dues , it is because the majority of the nurses voted for the services of the union .

What I hear from you is that if the democratic vote results in a defeat for the union that is OK , but that if the vote is for the union then democracy should be ignored , the will of the electorate should be ignored and the responsibilities placed upon ALL of the electorate by the result of the election ( one of which is paying dues ) should be ignored .

You say that unionization is all about getting more income for the union and its officers .But what really appears to be the basis of your arguement against unions is simply $$$ 's , the payment of dues for the service provided .

As is often said by those happy with what they have , hearing people complain about it , you do not have to continue to work at the facility ( to make this decision you will have had to participated in the vote , then like the boy who takes the ball away from the game , say because you don't like the result , you are not going to play & :cry: all the way home to Mom ) , or apply for a position at that facility if you don't like the obligation that you will have to pay dues .

PICUPNP · Dec 28, 2009

I don't believe in being forced to join a union in order to gain employment. If the unions do such great things, then why not have it so that employees, who are not union supporters, can be employed without joining the union or paying dues? If the unions provide such great benefits then surely they would come around and eventually join. Why can't the unions exist without forcing dues on people?

nicurn001 · Dec 28, 2009

I don't believe in being forced to join a union in order to gain employment. If the unions do such great things, then why not have it so that employees, who are not union supporters, can be employed without joining the union or paying dues? If the unions provide such great benefits then surely they would come around and eventually join. Why can't the unions exist without forcing dues on people?

Spurious argument , dues paid only after contract in effect . The nurses took a vote , decided to unionize . One factor EVERYONE is aware of is that dues will become payable . So I could equally ask why pay any taxes ( cause sure as anything we could all find something any level of government pays for we don't like ), I voted but I didn't get the result I wanted so now I'm not going to accept the result and fulfill my obligation to that result.

If you don't like democracy , or don't trust your fellow nurses to vote as you wish , be honest about it .

PICUPNP · Dec 28, 2009

I love how you keep skirting around the issue. If you have to pay dues to be employed, that is forced unionism. It's absolutely ridiculous to have to pay for employment. This has nothing to do with democracy, just simple facts.

allnurses Guide · Dec 29, 2009

"national nurses united": should you join?

rns from across the country made history last week by founding the 150,000-nurse super-union, national nurses united (nnu). freshly elected to the council of presidents, jean ross, rn, stopped in to chat with scrubs during a busy week of conventions and rallies to share her personal statement of views and to answer the question "why now?"...

http://scrubsmag.com/2009/12/21/national-nurses-united-should-you-join/