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No. 20
from karenchad
Old Aug 05, 2009, 02:17 PM

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No unions do not save or protect your job- they will even throw you under the bus
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No. 21
Old Aug 05, 2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by karenchad View Post
No unions do not save or protect your job- they will even throw you under the bus
So I'm curious what's that basis for this short and unsupported statement? I can only speak for my own union (CNA/NNOC) and my own experience. I've been the chief nurse rep at our hospital since 2002 and have been involved in many grievances and termination/discipline issues. We fight hard to protect the rights of all nurses to a fair procedure and, when the nurse is innocent or the punishment excessive, we fight hard for getting a job back or reducing a penalty. Contratry to the common false rap against unions, we do not protect bad or imcompetent nurses - but we do force management to use the proper procedure to terminate them and give them a fair hearing. I've saved the jobs of a number of nurses, and conversely I've also told nurses: "Look, you blew it here, there's nothing we can do the change that, you need to make this a learning experience and move on and do better in your next job." It all depends on the facts of the case.
And it is unfortunately true that some union reps do not do a good job for their members and don't provide quality representation, but that should not be generalized to apply to all - or even most.
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No. 22
from K98
Old Aug 06, 2009, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico David RN View Post
So I'm curious what's that basis for this short and unsupported statement? I can only speak for my own union (CNA/NNOC) and my own experience. I've been the chief nurse rep at our hospital since 2002 and have been involved in many grievances and termination/discipline issues. We fight hard to protect the rights of all nurses to a fair procedure and, when the nurse is innocent or the punishment excessive, we fight hard for getting a job back or reducing a penalty. Contratry to the common false rap against unions, we do not protect bad or imcompetent nurses - but we do force management to use the proper procedure to terminate them and give them a fair hearing. I've saved the jobs of a number of nurses, and conversely I've also told nurses: "Look, you blew it here, there's nothing we can do the change that, you need to make this a learning experience and move on and do better in your next job." It all depends on the facts of the case.
And it is unfortunately true that some union reps do not do a good job for their members and don't provide quality representation, but that should not be generalized to apply to all - or even most.
CNA/NNOC is a professional RN union. There are significant group of us (RN) that are "represented" by a protection racket known as the SEIU (Serving Employers Instead of Us), a sort of faux union that exists solely to make itself larger and gain influence and power for the small group of people at the top of the pyramid. Our contracts are horrible (better wages and benefits at most non-union facilities in the area), our dues are high (70.00+ per month and climbing), and NONE of the monies paid by our RNs stays with our local. Every CENT goes to the SEIU. I can say with certainty that our staff is VERY unhappy with the SEIU.
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No. 23
from northerner
Old Aug 07, 2009, 12:55 PM

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Not all unions are the same. Some unions are more concerned with bringing in new members than serving the interests of the existing members. Organizing is important....it raises the standards of all, but they must take care of the members they have. A good union strikes a balance between organizing and servicing. I have heard unhappy comments about SEIU and Teamsters before. You may want to check out the Machinists Union...www.goiam.org. The IAM represents healthcare workers in hospitals and nursing homes here in the upper midwest. Also, I was reading about how the AFL-CIO and Catholic healthcare facilities made an agreement to make organizing drives more civilized. It looks like it would take a lot of the stress out of it.
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No. 24
from nicurn001
Old Aug 07, 2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by northerner View Post
Also, I was reading about how the AFL-CIO and Catholic healthcare facilities made an agreement to make organizing drives more civilized. It looks like it would take a lot of the stress out of it.
Unfortunately these type of agreements are misrepresented by anti union groups as sweet heart deals / corporate unionization , as was recently done in Hahnemann Hospital , PA, where the agreement between Tenet and the Union to allow PASNAP to attempt to organize was portrayed as corporate Unionization.
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No. 25
from northerner
Old Aug 07, 2009, 04:04 PM

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Yeah.....I've heard about some of the "sweetheart" deals...usually involving a union that wasn't so great at representing their members. I was always surprised at how Catholic healthcare facilities fought their employees' attempts to form unions. The Catholic church is very pro-worker/pro-union. Hopefully, this agreement will allow workers at these facilities to exercise their rights without as much stress as a typical campaign. Some companies (very few) have a very clear non-interference policy when it comes to unionizing. It's a choice for the workers to make. The choice should be able to be made and debated without all the threats and fear that are so common today.
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No. 26
from nicurn001
Old Aug 07, 2009, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by northerner View Post
Some companies (very few) have a very clear non-interference policy when it comes to unionizing. It's a choice for the workers to make. The choice should be able to be made and debated without all the threats and fear that are so common today.
I wish this type of thing was more common , but unfortunately , this country is so polarized politically , it appears difficult for anyone to debate anything without political dogma rearing it's ugly head .
Unfortunately Americans seem to have lost the ability to debate without rancour , they do not debate , they make preconcieved speeches , without taking any regard to the points their opponents make .To see real , vigorous debates watch Prime Ministers question time or a parliamentary session on C Span.
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No. 27
from K98
Old Aug 10, 2009, 02:42 PM

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The SEIU has once again made the news for "members" being arrested for assaulting attendees at a health care town hall in St. Louis. This is how the SEIU deals with "opposition" (anyone who doesn't agree with them). This is what they are about. They aren't a union, they are a "rent-a-mob". They pulled this same baloney with the CNA/NNOC.
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No. 28
Old Aug 10, 2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by K98 View Post
The SEIU has once again made the news for "members" being arrested for assaulting attendees at a health care town hall in St. Louis. This is how the SEIU deals with "opposition" (anyone who doesn't agree with them). This is what they are about. They aren't a union, they are a "rent-a-mob". They pulled this same baloney with the CNA/NNOC.
While I'm not a big fan of SEIU and SEIU does have a history of this sort of thing - I was present at the meeting you refer to when they tried to bust into a union conference to shut down a speech by a CNA leader - I have a feeling this one in particular may be a bad rap. The version of this that I heard is that a bunch of very ill-informed folks came to the townhall with the intention of shouting down the speaker and making the meeting impossible to hold. When the building had reached its fire code rated capacity and the doors were closed to stop more from getting in, some of those folks tried to force their way in. SEIU (and other union) members were manning the doors and stopped them and they claimed to have been assaulted. From the videos I've seen it looked like the assaulting may have been on the other side - this time.
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No. 29
from K98
Old Aug 16, 2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico David RN View Post
While I'm not a big fan of SEIU and SEIU does have a history of this sort of thing - I was present at the meeting you refer to when they tried to bust into a union conference to shut down a speech by a CNA leader - I have a feeling this one in particular may be a bad rap. The version of this that I heard is that a bunch of very ill-informed folks came to the townhall with the intention of shouting down the speaker and making the meeting impossible to hold. When the building had reached its fire code rated capacity and the doors were closed to stop more from getting in, some of those folks tried to force their way in. SEIU (and other union) members were manning the doors and stopped them and they claimed to have been assaulted. From the videos I've seen it looked like the assaulting may have been on the other side - this time.
I hope you are right. I attended a town hall near my home and saw several groups of folks with SEIU 1199P t-shirts on (my local), and didn't recognize any of them. I wondered out loud if any of them were RNs. They just walked away. BTW, none of them got in, the town hall was capped at 250. Pretty small town, eh?
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