My patient fell, am I gonna get in trouble
- 0May 2, '10 by tavia_yeungSo I'm working at the LTC and I only had 2 days of training. And yesterday is my 1st day working as a CNA, on-call. I work from 3-11pm caring for 19 pts. I supposed to work morning-shift but yesterday it happened to be afternoon- shift, ratio is 1:19, 3 cna at each station. Morning shift ratio is 1:8, 5 cna at each station. Again yesterday is my 1st day working and and patient fell when she tried to get out of bed to get her slipper. I didnt even know this event happened til later the nurse informed me about it and said that the pt is ok, no injury. Then the nurse did the incident report about this fall and asked me to wrote down my name and signature. When my pt fell I was busy caring for my other pts. I felt so guilty when I heard that my pt fell even though the pt dont get hurt or anything. By the way this pt can do some walking w/ the assistance of the walker but she mainly sit in her w/c to get around.
My question is, am I gonna get fire or in trouble about this? What happen to that incident report now, are they gonna send it to the state or the higher up to go against me? I'm so worry and upset all night about this thing, plz let me know am I gonna get in trouble about this...
- 2May 3, '10 by cloudstrife1phincident report is just part of a protocol. it is needed to have a written data on what happened and to inform it to the people involve to the patient's care for them to know what interventions to do to prevent it from repeating next time...
you're not in trouble since the patient is still somewhat ambulatory and the pt. didn't ask for your assistance...
Let's say if my pt doesnt ask for my assistance and they get up and fall and get hurt badly so in this case am I responsible for this fall, am I get in trouble for this or not? In my original post my pt doesn't get hurt but what happen if next time the pt get hurt for not asking for my assistance. So this time am I still dont get in trouble, b/c the pt doesnt wanna ask for help.
I'm wondering all about this b/c I had another pt that refuse to let me help them change brief, ect b/c I guess they're embarrassing and they think they can do by themselves. This pt can moving around w/ a walker but a little weak. This pt is the spouse of the pt that fell which I mentioned in my original post, they're roommate.Last edit by tavia_yeung on May 3, '10
- 1May 3, '10 by cloudstrife1phRe: My patient fell, am I gonna get in trouble
remember the patient rights. the patient have the right to refuse any treatment or assistance as long as his/her decision making isn't impaired.
the patient refused any help and you should respect that. anything that happens to the patient for declining an offered assistance is already the patient's fault. you offered help to do something but the patient doesn't want you do to it, he/she is liable for themselves...
what will save you in this situation is that that patient is ASSIGNED to you and you tried to do your job by offering help. just don't forget to inform your supervisor about the refusal asap to protect you if something bad happen about the patient's refusal...
- 1May 3, '10 by CoffeemateCNAYou've gotten good advice so far.
The only time I can think of that you would ever get in trouble for a fall is if you hadn't put the appropriate safety measures in place. For instance, call light within reach, siderails up (if applicable), fall mat at bedside, personal alarm turned on and in place, etc. You would have to do something pretty bad to get fired -- ie, if you were transferring a Hoyer lift by yourself and the person fell. The worst I have ever seen for a regular fall is a write-up (and this doesn't usually happen).
Don't feel bad. We can't be everywhere at the same time. Falls happen (even though we don't want them to). The only way your management would be 100% successful at preventing ALL falls is to implement a 1:1 staffing ratio. I don't know about you, but I don't foresee that happening.
Make sure you read any paperwork that you sign. Incident reports are always done. At my facility, the nurse even has the CNA write a short narrative describing what happened or what you saw. Incident reports are just used to cover the facility's behind and to help find measures that can be put in place to help prevent such falls in the future.
- 0Thank you very much cloudstrife1ph and coffeemateCNA for the great advices.
Quote from cloudstrife1phjust don't forget to inform your supervisor about the refusal asap to protect you if something bad happen about the patient's refusal...
Thank you for reminding me about this b/c I forgot to inform the higher-up or nurse about the pt refusal, but next time I would remember to do so to protect myself from getting blame on for the fall.
Quote from CoffeemateCNAThank you for reminding me about this b/c when the nurse gave it to me I just signed it and forgot to read it before sign any paper.Make sure you read any paperwork that you sign.Last edit by tavia_yeung on May 3, '10
- 1May 7, '10 by Heinz beansYou should not get blamed for a fall. Incident reports are used for risk management and not to blame people. It allows the facility to improve the quality of care and prevent this in future. This could have happened to this lady anywhere at any time -don't blame yourself.