What would you do for this patient?

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Just curious.

What would you do for a patient who was a hemodialysis patient, tended to run SBP in the 100's, but was still a/o X 3 with a SBP like the high 60's to low 70's, who also was in ST w/ (very) frequent PACs vs. MAT (per the doc's notes).

Full code, of course.

Had HD that morning and a colonoscopy in the afternoon, was actually GIVEN fluids at HD. Was taken off Cardizem gtt toward the end of HD when HR was being maintained around 110's & BP dropped to 60's. Maintained LOC just fine also.

Anyhow, later that night, was unable to give po Cardizem, so of course, the HR popped back up again and the BP hung around the 70's systolic.

We worried that if she crashed on our floor, help would get there too late and that she needed titration of a gtt and closer monitoring, so we transferred to CCU.

But that only made me start wondering. What would you do for this patient? Would this patient be a candidate for pressors if she's in renal failure? What sort of treatments would you see her get on your unit?

What could we have done better? I kept feeling like we were missing something, but I didn't feel safe to do anything differently, given we were on a regular tele floor.

Specializes in Trauma,ER,CCU/OHU/Nsg Ed/Nsg Research.

I agree w/Mark...have seen this work w/adding Metoprolol lots of times. Just make sure you give it slowly. ;)

It would be interesting to know her TRUE rhythm. It is very likely that her BP was directly related to her HR/rhythm. She most likely had an underlying Heart failure that couldn't tolerate the rhythm. I don't think anything was done wrong on your unit. I do think it would've been helpful r/t to immediate treatment if there was an EKG done. TC

Specializes in ICU/CVICU/CICU/MSICU/CathLab.

I'm not seeing anyone suggest a DNR :saint:

Specializes in Med surg, Critical Care, LTC.

DNR isn't needed, she has a treatable condition.

Specializes in CVICU, ICU, RRT, CVPACU.
I think Neo may be jumping the gun a bit, especially since the BP may be baseline for this pt. and per report the pt. is Alert and Oriented. Albumin? not so sure about that either. I think checking some lytes is in order due to the ectopy.---maybe the pt. needed dialyzed...difficult to say--due to the fact that I don't know the pt's entire history.

This patients BASELINE pressure is 100 systolic as menioned in the post. The patient intitially has a 40% decrease in blood pressure followed by a 30% decrease in blood pressure that evening..........that is a significant drop and idicates a significant hemodynamic change. You can say "they were alert" or the old nursing school "treat the patient not the monitor" or whatever you want to call it, but a BP of 60 mmhg need some intervention. There is very little chance that this patient was maintaining a MAP of near 60 mmHg. Drawing labs and sending them down in wonderful if you have 30 minutes to waste waiting for the results. Albumin is commonly given as a choice method for treatement of hypotension in dialysis patients. The fact that Im walking into a situation with a hypotensive patient, who despite having fluids in dialysis is probalby volume depleted, with a systolic pressure in the 60's and me having NO IDEA what rhythm they are in (Im assuming A-fib or ST) , I would use the drug with the least Beta-1 effects while giving a volume expander. It really depends a lot on what the rhythm is. Obviously slowing down the HR is going to effect BP, however based on the info we have we dont know what the rhythm was that evening. I would check lytes once I had the chance and the patient has a stable pressure. Im also not quite sure where you work that you are comfortable with a pressure of 60 for an extended period of time. Furthermore, In regard to the "needs dialysis again" comment, I have never worked at any hospital that would start dialysis on a patient with a pressure in the 60's. Just FYI, a MAP of less than 60 normally means that the brain and/or kidneys are not being perfused properly.

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