Questions regarding Maricopa CC's Nursing program - page 5

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  1. by   mattsmom64
    Quote from Jeff A
    I have looked at the MCC prereq list recently myslef, and do not recall seeing Bio 150-something or other, or Bio 181 on there. I don't even know what those classes are.

    I would be pretty baffled anyway if I found that there are even more bio prereqs required in addition to 101, 102, Mic, and A&P 1&2. That wouldn't make a bit of sense. As it is, I think that some of the bio prereqs are excessive and of highly dubious worth to begin with.

    The prerequisites for Bio 201, 202, and 205 are Bio156, or Bio181, or an equivalent. Some people have "snuck" into 201 and 205 without the prereqs, however, there was a student who did that last semester and they weren't able to graduate with the rest of their class.....The best thing I can say is to grab a school catalogue that lists all of the courses with their prereqs, this way you can't go wrong. MCC stacks the catalogues in the Kirk student center......
  2. by   NewJA
    Quote from mattsmom64
    The prerequisites for Bio 201, 202, and 205 are Bio156, or Bio181, or an equivalent. Some people have "snuck" into 201 and 205 without the prereqs, however, there was a student who did that last semester and they weren't able to graduate with the rest of their class.....The best thing I can say is to grab a school catalogue that lists all of the courses with their prereqs, this way you can't go wrong. MCC stacks the catalogues in the Kirk student center......
    OK, I just looked at the Program Prereqs sheet which I got from Mesa CC, and I see the requirement:
    BIO 156 OR
    BIO 181 OR
    One year of high school biology.
    Last edit by NewJA on Jun 5, '07
  3. by   NewJA
    Quote from sassiebaz
    Yeah, what is going on here. I understood that BIO 156 was required before A&P and then Micro bio after that. I know Bio 181 is not included on top of all of that. It really does make you wonder how these people are trained. I looked up all of the MCC schools online and printed their pre-req list. So far all has matched except some still say the CNA training is still a pre-req.
    Sorry sassie, I was mistaken, as you can see from the preceeding couple of posts. I was thinking of bio 101 and 102 which, according the MCC advisor with whom I met, meet the requirement for 181, or etc...
    So, yea, one must choose one of those bios as a prereq. If you have bio 101 or 102 (usually comes with many A.A.S degrees, thats why I have them), or high school bio, then they should do the job.
  4. by   mattsmom64
    Quote from Jeff A
    OK, I just looked at the Program Prereqs sheet which I got from Mesa CC, and I see the requirement:
    BIO 156 OR
    BIO 181 OR
    One year of high school biology.

    So it is only one of them, as you indicated above.

    I have those crossed out on my sheet, because the advisor I met with said that the bio 101 and bio 102 (which I have taken) would meet this requirement. So it just stuck in my head that it was bio 101 and/or 102 which were required and I already have them, hence my forgetting what the page actually says. In any case, unless my advisor is completely incompetant and negligent, then I am assuming that I have met these requirements as he indicated (he watched me as I crossed them out). I assume that is a safe guess, since they are stating that high school biology would meet the requirement.... The notion that high school bio would meet the requirement while college bio 101 and 102 would not meet it seems ludicrous.

    Anyway, for anyone who does still have to take one of those classes, at least it is quite easy, unlike what I have heard about chm, mic, and A&P.
    Having said that, I shall still vomit if I wind up having to take bio 156 or 181, considering I already have taken 3 biology classes in college.

    You should be good to go for Bio 201 and 205...Did you place your name on the waiting lists for them? They are going to give current students first dibs on registering for those classes.....
  5. by   MsBruiser
    Quote from Jeff A
    OK, I just looked at the Program Prereqs sheet which I got from Mesa CC, and I see the requirement:
    BIO 156 OR
    BIO 181 OR
    One year of high school biology.
    That is pretty scary that they would except any high school bio class - especially given the average age in my program of students in their mid-30s on up (20 years at least since they took Bio).
  6. by   sassiebaz
    Quote from Stopnik
    That is pretty scary that they would except any high school bio class - especially given the average age in my program of students in their mid-30s on up (20 years at least since they took Bio).
    Ok, I do recall something now that Im seeing the posts about high school equiv. bio. I went to GCC this summer to talk about my classes(before I decided on EBSN) and they did tell me that high school BIO was now enough to get into A&P however, they said you to "test" out. Meaning take some sort of test to see if you could make it in A&P. They were saying alot of people wanted to test out but weren't making the grade in the class itself.

    So, thats what I remember. It can be confusing with new guidelines changing all the time.
  7. by   AZmom
    Quote from Stopnik
    That is pretty scary that they would except any high school bio class - especially given the average age in my program of students in their mid-30s on up (20 years at least since they took Bio).
    I'll let you all know how it goes. Will be starting A&P in two weeks having only had a prior high school biology in........1989 must have been.

    I'm not too worried. I recently read through some stats conducted by MCCCD when they were trying to decide on what changes to make to the nursing program. IIRC, the bio prereqs didn't help people in A&P too much.

    Yes, I remembered correctly. See page four of this long pdf file: http://healthcare.maricopa.edu/pdfDo...lum_report.pdf

    For some reason I can't do a cut and paste, but it found that they were surprised to notice that those who had not taken Bio156 or Bio181 actually did BETTER in A&P than those who did take Bio156 or Bio181.
  8. by   sassiebaz
    Quote from AZmom
    I'll let you all know how it goes. Will be starting A&P in two weeks having only had a prior high school biology in........1989 must have been.

    I'm not too worried. I recently read through some stats conducted by MCCCD when they were trying to decide on what changes to make to the nursing program. IIRC, the bio prereqs didn't help people in A&P too much.

    Yes, I remembered correctly. See page four of this long pdf file: http://healthcare.maricopa.edu/pdfDo...lum_report.pdf

    For some reason I can't do a cut and paste, but it found that they were surprised to notice that those who had not taken Bio156 or Bio181 actually did BETTER in A&P than those who did take Bio156 or Bio181.
    That's interesting, given what I was told at GCC. I mean who is giving these advisors their information? They made it sound like people weren't passing A&P.....especially those who hadn't taken BIO 156 ot 181. Oh well, I guess I shouldnt worry too much. I mean unless it doesn't pan out for me to go to EBSN. I am trying to stay super positive, I cannot forsee any problem with me going there! Good luck on your A&P class.......
  9. by   Knit1Purl2
    Can anyone add any insight to the Placement White Board for MCCC?
    Have they added new classes, it seems like the amount of spaces has doubled for a couple of colleges?
    Also, does anyone know when Rio Salado's classes start in the school year and how many do they normally take?
    Just one more question I see where there are about 50 applicants that had less than a 6 month wait, is that dependent on their program choices? The ones that were placed within less than a week of their time stamp, I just wonder how the majority of the others waiting didn't have the same choice?

    Thanks for any and all responses.
  10. by   NewJA
    One class, or a few classes at a time, may we all get it done eventually.

    I really look forward to completeing it, myself.
    Last edit by NewJA on Jun 5, '07
  11. by   NewJA
    issue resolved - and no useful information in my post, hence no need for it here
    Last edit by NewJA on Jun 5, '07
  12. by   Knit1Purl2
    Quote from Jeff A
    As much as I hate to admit it, I don't really understand most of your questions. I don't know what a whiteboard is, and am yet to figure out the function of a time-stamp. I am also unclear as to what choice you are referring.

    All I know so far is that I am registered for CHM and A&P I for the Spring semester. After that, I'll start worrying some more about the rest. So far, my questions to the advisors have led only to further confusion, contradiction, and uncertainty.
    Jeff the Whiteboard is the Placement Grid that shows how many Maricopa CC students are waiting to be placed and how many have been placed for the upcoming semester. Here's the link, check it out.
    http://web1.dist.maricopa.edu/CFIDE/...cementWtBd.cfm

    Anyone else on my previous questions? I really appreciate any insight you have and are willing to offer.
  13. by   boomerfriend
    The whiteboard is very difficult to interpret. Some people get placed because they put down all five choices and got one of them. Some people happened to get placed because someone forfeited their spot.

    I listed 4 choices and got my 4th choice. There were people that were offered a spot in our class one week before class was to begin.

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