Aesthetics Nursing - page 7

Hi all-- I am really interested in the medical aesthetics thing--botox, stuff like that. Anybody know where I can get trained? I live in Colorado, by the way. THANKS :p... Read More

  1. Visit  Tanya RN profile page
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    We haven't decided on a percentage for me yet. Still working on the details. The Botox and Restylane I did today was at cost to my friends, not money made for the MD or myself today.
    The MD was there today to verify that I know what I am doing. From here on out, he'll be a phone call away.

    You absolutely need an MD for fillers. If you have to choose, take the Botox course first. Botox is in higher demand. Find out if you need an MD for permanent make-up in your state. PM cosmetic tattooist. She is a wealth of info.

    I do not know if a resident could be your director. I would think not.

    Good luck.
    Quote from MHarrah
    Tiffany,

    FL seems like such a difficult state to deal with when it comes to this practice. I don't have any words of wisdom. But I hope things work out for you someway, somehow. I think the reality is that we are all going to eventually have this problem...one state at a time. I'm In WV, and we are not up to date on things like FL is. but I'll probably have the same issue several years down the road.


    Tanya,

    Great to hear that you're doing well! What percentage do you get to keep? Is the doctor there when you do your procedures? Reading your post makes me want to go take the dermal fillers course at AEI (where I learned peels, micro) BUT READ BELOW


    Everbody, here is my current issue. I want to learn Botox and Restylane now. BUT I currently don't have a physician for what I'm doing (peels, micro) because I don't have to have one here. But with dermal fillers, I would have to? right? because no matter what state you live in, only a doctor can order those injectables. right? correct me if I'm wrong. SO could a resident be my ordering physician? I've met a few very competent residents here. One in particular who has become a good friend, is finishing up his general surgery residency and starting plastic surgery residency. I would love it if he could be my medical director.


    I am finding a recurrent problem. Prospective clients ask "do you do botox", "do you do permanent makeup" etc. And I have to say No. And basically they walk away, and I don't get any business from them. So that's why I feel the need to add more procedures to my practice.
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  3. Visit  Tiffany$$ profile page
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    You don't need an MD to do permanent makeup or microdermabrasion anywhere that I've heard of, it's only cosmetic injectibles which require a MD with an account at Allergan (for Botox) and a DEA number for prescribing drugs. A resident can be your ordering physician. I met two RN's while going thru training and one of their boyfriends was a PA who did all the ordering for them. Sweet deal.
    But I really would like to ask you all if you really have much call for permanent makeup in your area of the country. Here in N. FL the only people who get it are oriental and I know an oriental lady who does it. She doesn't make very much, travels from beauty salon to chiropractic to massage therapist, etc. doing a day here and a day there. That way she services all areas of the city and can keep herself in business.
    What do ladies have done?
    In FL to remove hair you have to have a separate licensing. You have to be a licensed electrologist.
    The way aesthetic nursing went away in FL was the doctors went to the legislature and asked for a law when no nurses were looking or paying attention. Keep informed in the area where you work. And I don't want to give you the impression that no nurses do it in FL, down in S. FL there are lots of them breaking the law. The clients don't know. They just want to save some money instead of paying the plastic surgeon to do their Botox. Maybe I will move? RN's doing this in other areas of the country write in and tell us about your experiences where you live - what sells. What price.
  4. Visit  Tiffany$$ profile page
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    Re what the laws are from state to state: Don't just check nursing boards. In FL the nursing board is real vague about nurses doing cosmetic injectibles (which is fine) but the Board of Medicine, which regulates doctors, directly outlaws it. So to find a medical director is impossible. You are trying to find someone who goes directly against their governing board.
    You all need to read the aesthetic nursing thread started up above by NurseKimberly to read more about what others are doing. I tell about my experience with aesthetic nursing and it's not good.
  5. Visit  Tanya RN profile page
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    So you are saying that as an RN, I do not need a Medical Director to perform micropigmentation? Legally, my RN license covers me? Where can I find out for sure? There is not much about it in the Nurse Practice Act.

    Quote from Tiffany$$
    You don't need an MD to do permanent makeup or microdermabrasion anywhere that I've heard of, it's only cosmetic injectibles which require a MD with an account at Allergan (for Botox) and a DEA number for prescribing drugs. A resident can be your ordering physician. I met two RN's while going thru training and one of their boyfriends was a PA who did all the ordering for them. Sweet deal.
    But I really would like to ask you all if you really have much call for permanent makeup in your area of the country. Here in N. FL the only people who get it are oriental and I know an oriental lady who does it. She doesn't make very much, travels from beauty salon to chiropractic to massage therapist, etc. doing a day here and a day there. That way she services all areas of the city and can keep herself in business.
    What do ladies have done?
    In FL to remove hair you have to have a separate licensing. You have to be a licensed electrologist.
    The way aesthetic nursing went away in FL was the doctors went to the legislature and asked for a law when no nurses were looking or paying attention. Keep informed in the area where you work. And I don't want to give you the impression that no nurses do it in FL, down in S. FL there are lots of them breaking the law. The clients don't know. They just want to save some money instead of paying the plastic surgeon to do their Botox. Maybe I will move? RN's doing this in other areas of the country write in and tell us about your experiences where you live - what sells. What price.
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    Quote from Tanya RN
    So you are saying that as an RN, I do not need a Medical Director to perform micropigmentation? Legally, my RN license covers me? Where can I find out for sure? There is not much about it in the Nurse Practice Act.
    I don't know that much about micropigmentation - like I said not many ladies get that here. The oriental lady who does it here also teaches it. I'm certain she is not an RN - she may have a MD somewhere I am not sure.

    The Nurse Practice Act varies from state to state but the fact that it is not specifically addressed is what most RN's are counting on. "If it isn't specifically outlawed then we can do it" seems to be the idea. It will take awhile for the legislative bodies to move - to catch up with trends. I only know CA and AZ have specifically addressed this. Maybe you girls know of others?

    Like I mentioned in my long-winded statement above, the doctors in this state (FL) are the ones who moved quickly on the legislation. The electrologists moved so quickly (to make it to where you have to have a separate license to remove hair)no on realized the legislation had happened. You have to find out about the laws in your particular state. And take my bad experience and learn from it - just because others are doing it doesn't make it legal. The person who taught me said we could, later a doctor found the exact law for me and showed it to me before I would believe it.

    Where you can find out for sure is from the people who provide your insurance - you bet they know.
  7. Visit  BChapp3182 profile page
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    I wanted to give my two cents here. I've been an aesthetic nurse since 2005, have my own med spa. I would have done better and made more money without all the stress by just being a regular floor nurse. I don't advise going into this field, it's an extremely expensive business to be in and if your paying a doctor, rent, equipment lease, ins, etc. you will soon find that there is nothing left over for you. Competition is fierce, laws constantly change, it's not a glorious high paying job as some may have you think.
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  8. Visit  Tanya RN profile page
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    Hey BChapp,
    I am working on my own aesthetics business, but I am planning on my overhead being low. I am concentrating on the injectables, Botox and Restylane and travelling to local high-end salons and performing these procedures in the salon. So far, I have 3 salons interested. I offer 10% of net and Botox and Restylane at cost to the owners. I will have to pay my Medical Director as well. We have not decided on an amount yet. My Medical Director is planning on getting laser in the future, but that is not something I am interested investing in.

    Quote from BChapp3182
    I wanted to give my two cents here. I've been an aesthetic nurse since 2005, have my own med spa. I would have done better and made more money without all the stress by just being a regular floor nurse. I don't advise going into this field, it's an extremely expensive business to be in and if your paying a doctor, rent, equipment lease, ins, etc. you will soon find that there is nothing left over for you. Competition is fierce, laws constantly change, it's not a glorious high paying job as some may have you think.
  9. Visit  jlemg58 profile page
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    Hi,

    I live in Massachusetts and am trying to find a program for medical aesthetics. I was recently a model at a seminar for botox/filler training for nursed and docs. It seems like a great field to get into but I don't know how. I know there are w/e training seminars but from there how would I get more training and a job? Should I start with am estethic course at Elizabeth Grday. Any help would be wonderful. Thanks
  10. Visit  mharrah profile page
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    Hello fellow aesthetic nurses!

    I am considering my options for adding a skin care line in addition to the services I perform. Your feedback would be greatly appreciated.

    1) Do you sell a skin care line? what line do you sell?

    2) What types of skin care products do you sell? (fading cream, etc.?)

    3) Do you sell the products for double the price you bought them?

    I may go with IMAGE. I purchase the actual chemical peels from them. I Just hope their home skin care line works well also.
  11. Visit  BChapp3182 profile page
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    I had my own skin care line, private label, made at a lab with fantastic ingredients. Much stonger and better than anything you could find at a store, it actually worked. But, it didn't sell. I've found that people want brand name skin care like Obagi. The hype surrounding these brands leads the customer to think they must be good, even if a cheaper better option is available. Go with the name brands, your own private label or spa magazine items will not sell nearly as well.
  12. Visit  JeannieT profile page
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    WOw - this is a great conversation but I felt it left me with many exciting questions.
    I'm near Las Vegas, NV and wondering how on earth I can go about searching for a school/establishment that will train me?
    A thought on the dermal fillers - can an NP order these for you? In our state an NP does NOT have to work under the direction of an MD (I'm in Arizona) and can act as a GP. Wondering if that would work for some/many of you?

    How do I go about finding out the laws/statutes for operating such a business in my state?

    See? I'm the curious type!
  13. Visit  cosmetic tattooist profile page
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    I know of a nurse in Pueblo CO that trains in microdermabrasion, lamprobe, teeth whitening and other things if you would like her info you could mail me directly. She was also featured in the Nursing Spectrum last year.
  14. Visit  shellek profile page
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    Quote from SuzanneWisner
    I trained in Florida at the Esthetic Skin Institute. Web site is

    www.esiw.com

    Sasha Parker is the instructer, all classes are hands on, very good. It is made of all medical professionals only. Hope this info helps!


    I have checked their program out, is it worth the money as compared to much cheaper programs out there. I am confused on being certified--one of the programs I checked into gave you certification with only taking one of the 8 classes??? Currently I am working and being trained under a Dr. but want to be recognized throughout USA since I do take travel assignments. Is there any real guidelines for RN's in aesthetics? It appears many RNs are practicing via different training avenues.


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